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Josh Cryer wrote:Video of MSL descent (thumbnails for now): http://youtu.be/UcGMDXy-Y1I
Great video! Gives you a real feel for the descent. I guess it stops just as the point where the crane goes into operation?
Nah, it follows Curiosity from when the heat shield drops away until it touches down. You can see the wheels unfold near the end. And you can see dust blowing around really hard.
Once they have the HD version downloaded it'll look amazing. Right now it's low resolution thumbnails.
Video of MSL descent (thumbnails for now): http://youtu.be/UcGMDXy-Y1I
And we're on Mars.
Sorry for not doing updates here. It was pretty crazy in IRC.
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Sorry about that guys. Moderators aren't as powerful on this forum software as they were on phpBB. So even if we added more you'd be manually deleting their posts. It'd be pointless.
edit: all spammers since the switchover now purged. Man that took longer than I expected (about 50 minutes).
Sorry about that.
Musk talks about going to Mars here (in part 2):
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-a … view-pt--1
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-a … view-pt--2
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Mars-Bound NASA Rover Carries Coin for Camera Checkup - February 7, 2012
The camera at the end of the robotic arm on NASA's Mars rover Curiosity has its own calibration target, a smartphone-size plaque that looks like an eye chart supplemented with color chips and an attached penny.
When Curiosity lands on Mars in August, researchers will use this calibration target to test performance of the rover's Mars Hand Lens Imager, or MAHLI. MAHLI's close-up inspections of Martian rocks and soil will show details so tiny, the calibration target includes reference lines finer than a human hair. This camera is not limited to close-ups, though. It can focus on any target from about a finger's-width away to the horizon.
Curiosity, the rover of NASA's Mars Science Laboratory mission, also carries four other science cameras and a dozen black-and-white engineering cameras, plus other research instruments. The spacecraft, launched Nov. 26, 2011, will deliver Curiosity to a landing site inside Mars' Gale Crater in August to begin a two-year investigation of whether that area has ever offered an environment favorable for microbial life.
The "hand lens" in MAHLI's name refers to field geologists' practice of carrying a hand lens for close inspection of rocks they find. When shooting photos in the field, geologists use various calibration methods.
"When a geologist takes pictures of rock outcrops she is studying, she wants an object of known scale in the photographs," said MAHLI Principal Investigator Ken Edgett, of Malin Space Science Systems, San Diego. "If it is a whole cliff face, she'll ask a person to stand in the shot. If it is a view from a meter or so away, she might use a rock hammer. If it is a close-up, as the MAHLI can take, she might pull something small out of her pocket. Like a penny."
Edgett bought the special penny that's aboard Curiosity with funds from his own pocket. It is a 1909 "VDB" cent, from the first year Lincoln pennies were minted, the centennial of Abraham Lincoln's birth, with the VDB initials of the coin's designer - Victor David Brenner -- on the reverse.
"The penny is on the MAHLI calibration target as a tip of the hat to geologists' informal practice of placing a coin or other object of known scale in their photographs. A more formal practice is to use an object with scale marked in millimeters, centimeters or meters," Edgett said. "Of course, this penny can't be moved around and placed in MAHLI images; it stays affixed to the rover."
The middle of the target offers a marked scale of black bars in a range of labeled sizes. While the scale will not appear in photos MAHLI takes of Martian rocks, knowing the distance from the camera to a rock target will allow scientists to correlate calibration images to each investigation image.
Another part of MAHLI's calibration target displays six patches of pigmented silicone as aids for interpreting color and brightness in images. Five of them -- red, green, blue, 40-percent gray and 60-percent gray -- are spares from targets on NASA Mars rovers Spirit and Opportunity. The sixth, with a fluorescent pigment that glows red when exposed to ultraviolet light, allows checking of an ultraviolet light source on MAHLI. The fluorescent material was donated to the MAHLI team by Spectra Systems, Inc., Providence, R.I.
A stair-stepped area at the bottom of the target, plus the penny, help with three-dimensional calibration using known surface shapes.
Curiosity also carries calibration materials for other science instruments on the rover. "The importance of calibration is to allow data acquired on Mars to be compared reliably to data acquired on Earth," said Mars Science Laboratory Project Scientist John Grotzinger, of the California Institute of Technology, Pasadena.
The MAHLI calibration target, with its penny and a miniscule cartoon of a character named "Joe the Martian," serves an additional function: public engagement.
"Everyone in the United States can recognize the penny and immediately know how big it is, and can compare that with the rover hardware and Mars materials in the same image," Edgett said. "The public can watch for changes in the penny over the long term on Mars. Will it change color? Will it corrode? Will it get pitted by windblown sand?"
The Joe the Martian character appeared regularly in a children's science periodical, "Red Planet Connection," when Edgett directed the Mars outreach program at Arizona State University, Tempe, in the 1990s. Joe was created earlier, as part of Edgett's schoolwork when he was 9 years old and NASA's Mars Viking missions, launched in 1975, were inspiring him to dream of becoming a Mars researcher.
Edgett said, "The Joe the Martian on Curiosity really is a 'thank you' from the MAHLI team to the folks who have provided us with the opportunity to study Mars, the U.S. taxpayers. He is also there to encourage children around the world to set goals that will help them achieve their dreams in whatever interests they pursue."
The Mars Science Laboratory is managed by NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, a division of the Caltech. For more information, visit http://www.nasa.gov/msl .
Shoot me an email next time ya'll, I completely dropped the ball on that one.
Nah, Josh, I don't think /var filling up was what caused it, that was just an ongoing issue, which I don't know the cause... it was a hardware failure, the hard drive specifically. I believe we are currently a free Dreamhost 501(3)c account, which does have backups.
I could've swore we had Mars Politics and Economics in the same forum. How about if I rename Human Missions to Colonization like on the old forums? It seems that is how I had it before. I'll wait for some semblance of a consensus before deciding anything (and yes I've been here).
Happy Birthday Josh.
Lobster, latest edition is probably best, I don't have it, but I know the First Touchstone Edition had an addendum about the Mars Meteorites.
How's that?
Weren't politics and economy the same on the old forums? Have to check the Wayback Machine, but I think so.
We banned gmail on the old forums, StopForumSpam can only go so far. They sign up new emails by the hundreds. Gmail really needs to work on that somehow, because it's completely broken. I can show you the list of the spammers I deleted, it's dozens upon dozens of unique emails. I did notice that they did lack vowels and I'll look into whether or not I can do a check to see if peoples' emails have vowels in them but that can still hit unique users.
As it stands now you're asked to send an email to the admin and he'll sign you up, or you can use a non-gmail address. So it's not like they have to go find the email address or anything, it's in the message denying them access.
I zapped 'em all and banned gmail with a comment to send an email to admin to sign up. 20+ a day is too much, my fingers were dying every morning and every evening they'd be back. Should have much fewer spammers now.
Out of 192 spammer addresses, 190 were from gmail.
I'm going to go with my usual response to claims like this. Hope it works. World changing, etc, etc. Get back to me if it does (though I don't think I'll have a problem being informed of that).
JoshNH4H, the probability of solving the kitten CATCHPA is decided by how many unique pictures of kittens you have, ultimately. If you only have 3 pictures of kittens then the software can do a comparison to whatever it has in its database. Solve it once and the software can solve it indefinitely. xrumer is apparently the software they use. Here's an interesting article on the subject.
BTW, thanks SpaceNut, but I'm checking the userlist daily, so you don't have to keep reporting them.
StopForumSpam submissions to date:
Apparently with the software they're using, ReCAPTCHA is brute forcible (they use OCR). So that explains why they're getting through it, it just requires a lot of processor power.
The SLS: too expensive for exploration?
One estimate of individual SLS launch costs (not including the payload) can be obtained from private launch cost projections, which are now about ten times lower than the current prices for government-sponsored launchers like the Delta 4 Heavy, which are actually increasing due to reduced launch rates. If the projected cost for the Falcon Heavy is about $850–1,000 per pound, or $100 million per 53-ton launch, for about four launches a year, then the cost per pound for an SLS payload would be about ten times higher at $8,500 to $10,000 per pound to low Earth orbit (LEO). This would equate to about $1.3 billion for the 70-ton payload version and $2.45 billion for the 130-ton version. Projected launch costs for the proposed Falcon Super Heavy (150 tons to LEO) are about $300 million, giving cost per pound that are comparable to the Falcon Heavy or still about ten times cheaper per pound than existing costs or projected SLS costs. Some estimates for the SLS test launch costs are as much as 25 times more per pound ($25,000 per pound) than those for the Falcon Heavy. These estimates are based primarily on the development costs. If we include a typical government payload, the cost per mission (vehicle costs, operational launch costs and payload costs) approaches $5 billion or more per launch. It is thus probable that the cost of each SLS launch with payload will be much more than the cost of a shuttle launch, which recent calculations have shown to be about $1.5 billion apiece. The Shuttle did recover the “upper stage” (the Shuttle itself) with all of its expensive rocket engines.
Good article explaining the folly of SLS.
JoshNH4H, forward that email to me and I'll get him back.
Successful separation! We're on to Mars! Woot! Now, the 8 month wait.
Lot of happy folks there at Mission Control.
Launch was successful! Nice clean launch!