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#452 Re: Human missions » Russian Klipper or US CEV - why can we not get it done sooner » 2005-10-13 11:20:04

I perfer the term mock-up, and I for one do not question the ability of the former Soviets. Kliper will fly before CEV

#453 Re: Human missions » Griffin: Shuttle, ISS were *-Mistakes-* » 2005-10-13 11:17:05

Until the Planetary Society learns how to launch their own craft without failure--they need to quit harping on the mistakes of others.

#455 Re: Human missions » Post central for information on CEV IV - Before thread #3 melts down » 2005-10-13 11:13:38

I think some of the HLLV bashers are just playing plitics--hoping for SDV to die, when the EELVs Esp Delta IV is winding up a worse pad sitter than Titan IV.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shuttle_De … ch_Vehicle
http://www.thespacereview.com/article/462/1
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums … ts=7#M6426 HLLV




Misc. From The web:
"You can watch a few pictures of the first zero-G fight of Kliper at
http://spacemodels.nuxit.net/Kliper/zerog/index.htm. This is a 1/50
model built by Serge Gracieux which flew last month in the Novespace
Zero-G Airbus 300."

by Vincent Meens

http://spacemodels.nuxit.net/
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kliper

http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums … 32&posts=6 ESA

More news on the Russian front:
http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/ ANGARA pad done

The ABMA would be sad
http://www.spacedaily.com/news/spaceport-05l.html

CEV

http://images.spaceref.com/news/2005/nas.esas.17.l.jpg
The Beatles song "Get Back" comes to mind!  More on the ESAS here:
http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewnews.html?id=1069
http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewnews.html?id=1069

Interorbital
http://www.spacedaily.com/news/spacetravel-05zzzs.html


Buran launch
http://www.northstarrocketry.org.uk/junk/Buran1.wmv

#456 Re: Human missions » China second manned launch coverage; » 2005-10-13 11:08:22

The media barely reported the Chinese two-man launch.

http://www.cgwic.com/launch/contact.htm
http://www.spacechina.com/espace/
www.orbireport.com
http://www.astronautix.com/craft/shenzhou.htm
http://www.astronautix.com/lvs/cz2f.htm
http://www.space.com/missionlaunches/05 … _lnch.html
http://www.space.com/missionlaunches/05 … enter.html
http://www.spacedaily.com/news/china-05zzzzzzzzp.html
http://www.spacedaily.com/news/china-05zzzzzzzzl.html
Live broadcast might be found at mms://live.cctv.com/live

More at www.nasawatch.com

So don't feel bad about lack of coverage. MSNBC reported-as a top story, some old creek that flooded out a bit in New Hampshire. Oh, to be sure, Tucker Carlson or Jon Stewart will be smirking out a cutie pie story on the recent launches--bouncing their insipid voices off comsats launched by better men.

#457 Re: Human missions » Manned mission to Luna in 2018 » 2005-10-13 10:53:56

Looking for a lunar landing using as much off the shelf stuff as possible. If Russia had an HLLV, then no need for so much on orbit assembly. A plan based on re-starting Energia lines is an option, of course but then its less off the shelf. if we are talking about re-opening production lines.  Rather like modular EELV versus shuttle derived HLLV.

Well, that's why I never liked O'Keefe's plan with the EELVs. It would have been tremendously expensive and risky. Griffin is right with the Shuttle derived HLLV.

Uh oh!

First time ever I accidentally abused my moderator super powers. I hit edit not quote.

Sorry.  :oops:

Anyway, I agree about EELV.

Seconded.

#458 Re: Human missions » t/Space & the media - Marketing in part of the deal » 2005-10-13 10:51:53

So they threw a big scale model of their glossie, itself just a copy of a proven design, full of sand bags into the ocean. Big deal.

You said it.

#459 Re: Single Stage To Orbit » Realistic solutions to the difficulties of SSTO? » 2005-10-13 10:48:00

It beats me how people fall all over themselves to find excuses to not build bigger rockets when these Rube Goldberg contraptions will cost 10 times as much.

The X-33 ruptured its fuel tanks just sitting there. What do you think is going to happen if you heat supercold tankage?

#460 Re: Human missions » The use of Nasa resources for science - other than space exploration » 2005-10-13 10:40:37

Propulsion has been robbed in the name of science. It's about time that vehicles came first.

Well, alot of science probes experimented with electric propultion. So I don't know if such a blanket statment is true.

But they are launched atop missile designs older than the scientists payloads. Except for Soviet tech EELVs like Atlas V. They did not neglect rocketry. We did.

#461 Re: Human missions » Russian cargo return inflatable » 2005-10-13 10:38:56

That is a good picture. The missile is the Bulava ICBM. The former Soviets have had a devil of a time with those liquid fueled Volna SLBMs and the Bulava is a solid like Polaris/Poseidon/Trident.

And I thought Bulava was just the name of a watch.

#462 Re: Human missions » Master of AI » 2005-10-13 10:36:26

Here is another neat little toy or is it state of the art?
[url=http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9594086/]Japanese robot goes bike-riding
Murata Boy demonstrates gyro sensor technology[/url]

051004_robot_hmed_6p.hmedium.jpg

Now for the bully robot to leap out and push him over.

#463 Re: Human missions » Master of AI » 2005-10-13 10:35:41

Well here is another twist on the uses for AI. Say that you want to live on forever but you can not have a human body, Death Could Be Averted By 'Downloaded Brains', British Futurologist Says

While the predictions might sound outlandish, they were merely the product of extrapolations drawn from the current rate at which computers are evolving,

If you draw the timelines, realistically by 2050 we would expect to be able to download your mind into a machine, so when you die it's not a major career problem,

Do you still pay taxes? ???

I hope not.

#465 Re: Interplanetary transportation » Why don't we go to space in one of these babies? » 2005-10-13 10:31:31

The biggest thing I run into is the growing prejudice against rockets.

"Rockets are primative, etc."
"Aren't we past that..."

And the result is a lot of NASA bashing from crack-pots

Stay with what works, people.

#466 Re: Unmanned probes » Gromit & K-9 » 2005-10-13 10:27:01

Providing you were to clean out a nice flat road for those Cray-filled VWss. I don't think so. A redneck with a Ford Pick-up could still do a better job of driving than that thing if it got in a rut.

#467 Re: Unmanned probes » 100 Unmanned Probes » 2005-10-13 10:23:59

The point is that if we keep nickel and diming ourselfs with these little crap can missions--we won't go anywhere. Let's focus on larger launch systems--then we will have all the time in the world to send permanent satellites to each main body of the solar system. We've spent too much on robotics as it stands.

#468 Re: Science, Technology, and Astronomy » Stanford robotic SUV finishes $2 million race » 2005-10-13 10:17:05

In otherwords, it takes less computer brain for a Tomahawk to fly the course than for that thing to drive it.

#469 Re: Human missions » Private Mission To Mars Questions » 2005-10-07 10:00:04

Private Mars Mission needs a private HLLV. Now go find someone besides Gates that can get us one.

#472 Re: Human missions » Down sizing the shuttle Army » 2005-10-07 09:54:54

It isn't as if that will never get done. Rockets first--payloads later.

#473 Re: Human missions » The use of Nasa resources for science - other than space exploration » 2005-10-07 09:53:54

Propulsion has been robbed in the name of science. It's about time that vehicles came first.

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