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LO
I remind you that some ESA engineers send to http://www.futura-sciences.com/communiq … page/]this site : Futura Science forum photos of Titan as soon as they are treated.
Even ESA rush mistakes are corrected by Futura staff members before edition
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LO
Go to these http://www.futura-sciences.com/communiq … .php]pages
to get some more Titan pictures

Froggies are in the lead at ESA, so, this is the french mess, mon ami

LO
You're calling me a muslim
I've no God, nor master, I eat pork, therefore, to the eyes of a muslim, I should be someone to destroy
If you know history, Byzance or Constantinople has been assaulted by crusaders (1204) on their way to Palestine, orthodox christian women raped by roman catholic warriors from all parts of Europe far before the fall of Contantinople, so, the Turks have no monopoly on wildery and cruelty
And centuries before, northern men you are so proud of nowadays commited the same kind of devastation on European coasts, fiercely drinking in the skulls of they beheaded ennemies.
Do these historic reminds make of you the same as them ?

You are who you are, no one is loading you with the delivery of   sweedish steel to nazi wermacht during WWII,
but you actually jugde today's Turks for the behaviour of far ancestors, don't you ?

In spite of theses arguments

Happy new year !  Skoll *!

(*know what I mean    )

LO
I think that the muslim minority living in Grece and the orthodox minority leaving in Turkey can do a lot for mutual understanding of Grece and Turkey

French history books tell the Gallish German conflicts up to Cesar allied to german cavalery...
but that has nothing to see with french german state conflicts
nor persan kings trying to invade Hellas
Could greek nationalism based on deep history reminds lead to some kind of fascist like state of mind similar to Benito's pretention to restore roman grandeur ?

LO
To remind how SHAMEFULLY MEAN are the US, French and generally all the other indutrial countries governmental help,
20 millions $ is what french government allocated to repair the Chateau de Versailles and its park when 10000 trees had fallen following the violent tempest Europe had suffer in year 2000.

Since the french governmental help has risen and is about 50 millions dollars, far under british governmental help with about 100 million dollars, taking the lead among doneur countries.
So, we agree for coordination in help effort, but the legitimate leader should be the most generous country in regard of its prosperity, not the mean coalition leader !

(My 8 years old nephew I presented Xmas with a 100€ checknote has decided to give half this amount to Red Cross)

LO
Another Bush's obscenity is to try to take advantage of a human catastrophe to manipulate the world opinion.
(when US help is under 1/1500 of the money wasted for war at Irak and armaments)
Looks like some of these so brigth Condy's advices.
Answer of one humanitarian organisation, already acting in the devastated areas and just before an airplane taking off from Paris with filtering pumps bound to provide drinking water, to Bush is to sit upon his new coalition.
Yet Indian authorities, as a member of that new coalition, act as stupidly as can be, denying any help for fierce nationalist pride. They can be so proud for having no tsunami warning system and to have set more mess and panic by spreading false alerts, when entire regions have still not received any governemental help.

LO
Didn't Greeks spoke the same language as Trojans ?
With Alexander, didn't Greeks invade Turkey and ruled from Macedonia to Indus ?

LO
That's not all true. You do forget the many early christian communities settled in the whole middle-est, which lived peacefully with Muslims for centuries, you do forget that the Jews thrown out of Spain could settle in Morroco and in Algeria.
In the Koran, the prophet orders that Jews and Christians are to be respected.

The settlement of muslim origin people in Europe is a recent phenomenum, the eldest children of that immigration wave are about twenty. They have been aculturated and there is actualy a rediscovery of their parents' culture. Things may go bad if they are considered as second class citizens.

I'm optimistic because less than a dozen scilly teen girls out of the many hundred thousand arab ad turkish origin people living in France refused to submit to french law on no veil in public schools.

When they will get older, I'm quite sure they will appreciate the possibility of divorce and the laws' protection against their men's brutality. They will have children and will teach them that republic's law can protect them from the "sharia".

And I tell you this as a very atheistic and anticlerical man :;):

So, in France, I am among the minority which would vote for Turkey in Europe, after all, geneticaly speaking, they are really similar to the Greeks...

LO

This bridge is now the highest in the world, with thin pillars up to 1122 feet high, it's very elegant too

LO

Looks like very short sighted and superficial thoughts.
Yes, we had thousands of old people which died in an historical heat wave as never reccorded since meteo institutions were created, when most of doctors were in holidays and hospitals with half the usual staff, this is an accident as well as USA southern states struck by 3 consecutive hurricanes, do you want to be judged on where people have a longuest life, USA or France ?
Our agriculture turns slowly to biological production, though our cereal production has the highest world productivity per acre, and we go back to species variety instead of standardisation, that's in our plates, mind your own obese maker ones.
I think you would be surprised by the number of highspeed connexions in here, though we always complain to be late, mine is only 3300 kb/s.   while France Telecom is starting 10000 kb/s supply in cities in order to set web TV.
Economicly screwed ? In France, the legal working rate is 35 hours a week, nevertheless, a french worker productivity is 113% that of an american one per hour, and 95% of jap workers productivity while the Japs work 50 hours a week, even Jap managers of settled in France jap factories are impressed by that. And french managers try to set people to go back to 39 hours working time a week.
In Germany, GM and Ford managers angrily ask to german workers to raise to the french car makers productivity and benefit rates.
Brussel phonebook size constitution is mainly because the variety of languages and of national diversity, that's close to the american complexity of laws, federal, states and local laws.
The reason why we are quite unsensible to Trebuchet-like french bashing is that we are violently critic at ourselves

LO
I think that all arguments about the number of troops needed to create democracy by means of weapons are wrong, Bill.
Shaun, you're out of any common sense saying medias are dominated by so-called leftists when they are obviously dominated by Fox and conservative actionnaires.
Sorry, to tell you that frenches have been more aware of the results of a war at Arabs than american or australian citizens, this is no wargame.
We had Algeria liberation war that we wan, military speaking, we crushed algerian resistance and lost that war in algerian hearts and minds and in the eyes of the french and world opinion.
You have the example of Israel overwhelming military power facing the palestinian terrorist groups. That's an ugly war.
Frankly, your arguments look like ignorant people's who started playing chess arguing on a Kasparov-Anan game.
Problem wasn't iraki military weakness. A US expeditionnary corps can win at almost any country army opposition.
The crazy idea was to accuse Saddam with false evidences of collaboration with talibans or Bin Laden's terrorists.
The mad thing was to ignore that if Saddam's regime was standing  without a strong resistance, that was the result of agreements between moderate Shite clans and the Sunnis.
The stupid action was an humiliating invasion of their country, even to Saddam's opponents eyes.
Now, it's not a lie to say that 90% of Irakis hate the US troops and that if iraki eyes were guns, we should hide deep.
The overwhelming challenge is to create a democratic state in an ethnically divided country where an ethnical group is numerically so dominant and so leaning for an islamic mollarchy.
In brief, the aim should have been to replace Saddam team by a another respecting rights of people, whith the same structure, without killing one Iraki, but that doesn't feed all american trusts which are interested in a long juicy war at any price, the highest being the best.
US was ready for a war, political preparation for that war have been a total failure in Irak as well as in world opinion.
For the present, I've no solution, even not any idea of what should be done, that's quite despairating to see the carnage.
I don't remember how things were managed after Pandora opened the box
Now, if it's possible to organize elections in Irak, a real representative assembly will tell US troops to leave, and the result will be unpleasant, far from democracy

LO
In France, we don't speak about "Freedom" which is more a feeling than facts but about freedoms.
And freedoms are antagonistic.
My freedom stops when your's begin, like territories.

We saw Clinton-Levinsky affair as some incredible US surrealistic nightmare.
In France, nobody is allowed to poke his nose in what's happening in your privacy. Love affairs between adults is none of anybody's business. Nobody has ever been condemned for having smoke a joint in his home. French houses mostly have walls all around.

Private freedom is opposable to Press Liberty. In France, if a news paper publishes details of one's private life, or even one's photography without consent, the news paper will be severely condemned, maybe seized, and have to pay huge allowances.