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cIclops,

Now it would be a cool thing to number the post for this reason. Otherwise I got to say the post posted 4/11/08 7:27 pm. Located here

http://www.newmars.com/forums/viewtopic … &start=120

The caption was,

The same process 4-30-08

Link

http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_007801_2610

caption

Now that’s more like it or more better as we say down south.

PS:

cIclopes said

Anything you need to know about the Earths atmosphere just ask. I am here to help.

Vincent

Rant 1or 2 or 3

Now for those that do not know me I am a weatherman. My first love is atmospheric sciences. Earth is a dynamic place. That’s why when I read captions on Mars images about sublimation is more important on Mars than Earth I get jazzed up.

First of all over 70 percent of the Earths atmosphere, estimate, is below 0c and melting is not the primary process of phase change. I do not mind when people like me or other people that post on Mars forums make mistakes but if you are going to caption MRO images and have a PHD please know what you are talking about. It hurts my feelings.

Now it is bad enough that we get jpegs in every filter with no base line and limited thermal data but we got to have PHD’s that are ignorant.

Now I posted a response to such a caption on this thread. Maybe this is not the place to respond. I challenged cIclopes about it and got ignored. That’s OK. If we just want to believe every thing we are told.

Note, Your image about defrosting dunes has been changed in the April 30 release. They now acknowledge that the process is like the Southern Hemisphere Fans.

http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_007801_2610

Thanks for letting me get that off my chest.

Vincent

I spent some time looking at the dust puddle above and decided we needed a colorized stereo 3D

Vincent

It would seem to understand the color issue we need to understand that satellite imaging is opinion. Now most of us want to believe the images that are presented by our government are as close to reality as possible. The reality is they are not.

Since we can debate color till the cows come home with no resolution I will try another angle. If someone would deceive you once, would they deceive you again?

Deception is deception for what ever reason. Maybe they were tired of hearing about the face and wanted to shut them up. Or you could subscribe to my theory that you can not give a scientist an imager and a calculator, they will drive themselves crazy.

This is the image from 1998 that quieted the crowd. In retrospect we know this image not to have any bases in reality. It was the best we could do in 1998. The caption said, “Filtered and enhanced.” I would say so.

Vincent

Image

Zydar

I do not have a problem with Chandra Wickramasinghe theory It makes sense.

http://www.actionbioscience.org/newfron … hoyle.html

Now lets get back to your image interpretation. Help me out Brother, what do you see?.

Vincent

Zhar2

Image 3a-1 are fossilized remains in my opinion. I believe there are Berries in an active state in some of the other images.

Vincent

Well is it a dust puddle? I thank not.

Vincent

This song is for you cIclops. Talk to a scientist. You guys like to play, so do we.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkvLq0TYiwI

Vincent

Well duh, tell the good doctor to talk to Vincent. Mars is not like Earth. Either the caps are in retreat do to solar change or sublimation in the current environment or not. She or he has no foothold on the current meteorlogic state of Mars. This is my area do not go there. I is the weatherman.

Without a baseline it is speculation.

Vincent

Part 3

Just as a forest on Earth has many trees with many different sizes and shapes within a baseline of development and process Mars seems to be not that different.

Trying to understand the basic jump from geology to biology in a pure environment will take years and a man on the surface I believe. That being said not looking at the visible data with applied known process is not acceptable.

The image above shows Berries and many other objects within the area that show a very complex process. It is different from any other area in the vicinity. There most be a reason.

As I stated earlier we are looking at many different types of Berries that have a different purpose in the bio-cycle. The Mama Berry to use an Earthly analogy is just one. The cigar shaped growth after encapsulation is another. Next I will discus the Papa Berry for lack of a better term

These Berries seem to have a wider stem/root complex and like to stand high. If this is to get some chemical or other agent into the Martian atmosphere this would be a good idea.
Wind transport would be the only means of pollination and or expansion of colony. I have seen no birds or bees on Mars. I bet you are glad to hear that.

Below is an image in stereo 3D of this type. I have drawn arrows in case you can not find them

Vincent

Image 1-3

CIclops,

Here are your links. You are not alone. Most people have not remained up to date on the new data sets and are still imagining Mars as a total ice bucket.

http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/spotlight/20070612.html

Vincent

Part 1

In the Phoenix thread we got on the topic of life and the ability to detect and cIclops stated that it would need to be glaring to say for sure and I agree. I believe the Mars rovers have found life that required several images and trying to understand an alien worlds biological process.

I will incorporate some hypothesis of mine and others. Why we spend so much time scratching our head and looking at Mars images I have no idea.

The image on my previous post was a Berry on the exterior of a rock matrix that was hit by the robotic arm and shows the interior of the Berry and a complex inner structure. I believe in the end we will find we were looking at many types of Berries in various stage of life and even fossilized remains of Berries in the rock matrix and on the surface from a long time ago

The next image is a brushed rock with a cross-section showing the complex make-up of the Berry system.

Area I- is the cross section. With a hollowed out interior with small Berry development inside
Area II- is the stem system and its incorporation into the interior
Area III- is another broken top or side exposing smaller spherical in another stage of development.

Image 1 http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/ … 56M2M1.JPG

The next image shows complex repetitive anatomy including stems or rooting for some type of physiological process. The image was produced by Dana Johnson. Several of the images I will post are ones that I saved on my hard drive to ponder over the years and did not keep real good records. I never thought I would be trying to put a puzzle together on alien biology. I am more of a cloud man.

Here I will post two images of the same area. One will be the raw image from Dana Johnson and the next my analysis. In dealing with the smaller microscopic imager jpegs a little magnification will be necessary but not too much or pixilation will get you lost in the jpeg haze

Area I- shows four berries in the cluster with an apparent hole or stem exit point. I will post a separate jpeg of a lose Berry on the surface to close out part 1 that will give you a closer look at this feature.

Area II- shows four berries in a cluster with roots or stem systems leaving the Berries and going into the surface material or rock matrix.

Area III- shows a development of another material originating on the stem or root system that has started on two of the Berries and will continue to develop that I will get into in Part 2.

Vincent

Image 2a

Image 2b

Image 3