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Kurd v Turkey is going to be a nasty problem for the US government which prefers "black & white" to gray.
Kurd v Saddam? Sure, no problem.
Kurd v Turkey? What say you, Cindy?
Step #1 - - DO NOT excuse the shooting until after the investigation.
Step #2 - - Acknowledge that more people die from lightning than from terrorism. bin Laden is as evil as Hitler and 1/100000000000000th as powerful.
Don't overreact.
Acknowledge again that more people die from lightning strikes than from terrorism.
Step #3 - - Hearts and minds? Start by accepting that "meaning well" isn't good enough. With unprecedented power comes unprecedented global responsibility.
The backward looking elements in Islam are a difficult problem. We need to be smart since they glorify martyrs. Being "tough" plays into bin Laden's hands.
While only a very tiny fraction of Muslims wish to be suicide bombers, collective punishment empowers the radicals. Saying "we didn't mean" to kill innocent children, so therefore its OK, empowers the fanatics.
Is that fair? No. Grow up and deal with it.
America is the most powerful nation in history. THEREFORE, I expect more.
How to bring Islam into the 21st century? Women's rights are the best place to start.
In Brazil (as I read) they see the UK and Blair as a poodle obeying the US. UK is US puppet.
Read some Brazilian newspapers on the subject.
That particular lack of understanding is Brazil's problem, not ours.
*That's exactly right, CM.
--Cindy
Heh! Lets fight the whole effing world!
My point is that while we pound our chests, China grows stronger.
Lets see what Mike Griffin decides. September is not that far away.
Don't forget, this thread started because Keith Cowing says Griffin intends to analyze these options.
But also remember that Brazilian sentiment is damn important here. After all, they are considering whether to forge much closer ties to Communist China, they have had interest in becoming a nuclear power and they are unhappy that the US is blocking their seat on the UN Security Council.
*Excuse me.
The shooting we're discussing occurred in England. It involved English cops.
It has nothing to do with the U.S.
--Cindy
In Brazil (as I read) they see the UK and Blair as a poodle obeying the US. UK is US puppet.
Read some Brazilian newspapers on the subject.
Hmmmm, I'm sensing censorship!!!!
Odd. I'm just sensing CYA... :?
I haven't been reversing myself often enough lately, but this looks like an opportunity to get in some much needed practice. 8) Here goes:
My earlier opinion was wrong. In time honored tradition, I blame the misinformation given out by the London Police. However, I should have known better than to accept an official police statement at face value so soon after anything, much less a shooting death. Sorry about that.
Admittedly, the man's death had a poetic justice quality to it (what with jumping the turnstile and all). However, if the actions of professional police forces were meant to be judged by their potential as dramatic devices, J. Edgar Hoover's FBI and the Keystone Cops would be the absolute pinnacles of law enforcement history. Whether or not the suspect "needed killin'" is irrelevent.
Did the agents act properly? Would I have pulled the trigger in their place? I honestly can't say. Perhaps I would have attempted to verify that the man was carrying explosives. Perhaps I would have looked for evidence of a detonator switch. Perhaps I'd have shot only once. Or perhaps, having a few rounds left, I would not have stopped with one suspect.
Such things always depend on the circumstances.
I think we need to allow all the facts to emerge before making any judgment, either way.
But also remember that Brazilian sentiment is damn important here. After all, they are considering whether to forge much closer ties to Communist China, they have had interest in becoming a nuclear power and they are unhappy that the US is blocking their seat on the UN Security Council.
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We need more facts:
As the three plain-clothes officers closed in on Mr Menezes, they say that they screamed their first warning that they were armed police. Their version is that he turned, ran into the station concourse, vaulted the ticket barriers and reached a waiting train before they could catch him. They shot him five times in the head when they believed that he was trying to trigger a bomb.
His cousin, Alex Alves, claims in one account that Mr Menezes was “playing around with a friend in a game of chase outside the station”.
The police insist that he was alone during the entire journey.
Another family member said that he had recently been attacked and robbed in that area by a gang of young white men and thought the plain-clothes officers were muggers.
By far the most controversial claim comes from a number of witnesses who have cast doubt on police statements that they shouted a warning or identified themselves to the suspect before opening fire.
Lee Ruston, 32, who was on the platform, said that he did not hear any of the three shout “police” or anything like it. Mr Ruston, a construction company director, said that he saw two of the officers put on their blue baseball caps marked “police” but that the frightened electrician could not have seen that happen because he had his back to the officers and was running with his head down.
Mr Ruston remembers one of the Scotland Yard team screaming into a radio as they were running. Mr Ruston thought the man that they were chasing “looked Asian” as he tumbled on to a waiting Northern Line train.
Less than a minute later Mr Menezes was pinned to the floor of the carriage by two men while a third officer fired five shots into the base of his skull.
Again, Mr Ruston says that no verbal warning was given.
Anyone who offers a final opinion before a complete investigation is jumping to conclusions.
Whatever it takes. From today's White House press conference:
We want to make sure that there is nothing that restricts the President's authority to be able to do what he needs to do to protect the American people and prevent attacks from happening in the first place, and bring to justice those who seek to murder innocent civilians.
Not even the Constitution. Those words are so quaint, so 1789.
Havent]http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewnews.html?id=1052]Haven't we discussed this before?
NASA is completing an internal review that proposes using an expendable launch vehicle derived from space shuttle components to launch and complete the International Space Station following retirement of the shuttle orbiters in 2010, according to senior agency and industry sources.
The study is to be completed in the next two to three weeks. As a result, the public release of Mike Griffin's full 60-day exploration architecture study will be delayed until after the House and Senate return from summer recess in early September, sources explained - a delay of almost two months from Griffin's earlier plans.
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At "Return to the Moon" I learned some great stuff about Canadian LIDAR systems and "last kilometer" remote docking solutions.
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If NASA now adopts a plan similar to what I was screaming about in early Spring 2004, do I get a cookie? 8)
Sources familiar with the SDV review say a side-mounted so-called "Shuttle-C" type configuration is once again being strongly looked at as the configuration for the heavy lift booster. Agency planners have favored a stacked or "in line" configuration that mounts a large liquid fueled upper stage and payload module atop a modified space shuttle external fuel tank. While such a design would yield greater payload weight, sources have said that it would also require the most expensive modifications to the existing space shuttle launch infrastructure. A side-mounted configuration, on the other hand, would replace the winged orbiter with the liquid stage and payload module, using many of the same pad interfaces as now employed with the manned vehicle.
Stuff to add?
A page on the VSE;
A page on Mars Direct;
Mars facts;
Mars related links (Is Oliver Morton still blogging Mars?)
By the way, the link to the wiki won't work (as of this post)
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New Mars probably should get a new home page as well. See Josh, its like pulling a thread on a sweater.
I heard a funny story about Chris Shank.
This past spring, as a staffer for the House science committee (or something like that) he wrote a long and detailed memo asking NASA to answer questions and submit information to Congress.
Before the memo was replied to, Mike Griffin picked him to work at NASA.
First assignment at NASA? Answer the memo he had submitted.
Chris Shank just finished giving the key note speech for the Space Frontier Foundation's "Return to the Moon" conference.
My impressions:
Heavy lift for the Moon? Its a done deal at NASA HQ. Earth orbit rendevouz plus "Direct Return" for Luna -> Earth is the leading architecture.
Commercial cargo =AND CREW= to ISS? Its a done deal if private sector can perform. One current battle is whether NASA will fund t/Space development costs for crew to ISS. CEV is intended only as "back up" for ISS crew/cargo.
I predict (this goes beyond Shank's talk) - - if private sector cannot deliver crew/cargo to ISS anticipate lots and lots of Soyuz/Progess acquisitions.
Prometheus is being changed and will "crack some pottery" - - it's now about surface power applications.
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Human destiny to live beyond the Earth is now official NASA policy!
That is breathtaking.
Cheers to all - - I need more coffee now.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/s … tml]Sunnis withdraw from Iraqi constitution writing process.
More on Womens]http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/20/international/middleeast/20women.html?hp&ex=1121832000&en=09d840d1e4d06041&ei=5094&partner=homepage]Women's rights in Iraq.
Do we approve? Is this any of our business?
What should we do about it?
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BAGHDAD, Iraq, July 19 - A working draft of Iraq's new constitution would cede a strong role to Islamic law and could sharply curb women's rights, particularly in personal matters like divorce and family inheritance.
Undo the pin so this thread can sink into oblivion
HA! HA! Now they say it won't be Clement.
That Dubya, he's such a funny guy.
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Lets keep 'a going.
Time for the 8th thread. . .
...defend Griswold and reject Roe. How?
Griswold vs. Connecticut was not the only precedent for an implied right to privacy. There was already considerable philosophical debate in judicial circles about a right to privacy during the time of Woodrow Wilson's administration. Griswold vs. Connecticut just happened to be decided by the participants in that debate.
You do have one good point, though, Bill. Despite Clark's (true) statement about how the Roe vs. Wade decision is a limitation of governmental power rather than an extension of it, every related supreme court decision has been couched in terms of "The Right to Privacy", not just limitation of power. The arguments are all deontological, not literal interpretations of what the constitution allows.
"The Right to Privacy" has been the key concept. Knock that one pin out, and the rest will topple.
There's just one problem with that little trick, though: The US Supreme Court's technically correct. The constitution and bill of rights, taken together, do imply a right to privacy/self-determination. And plenty of other implied rights, too. It's inescapable that a deontology would lend itself to a deontological argument. Right or wrong, that's just its nature.
C M Edwards, I agree with you.
Its been a long time since I have studied the details and nuances of Griswold and what came before and after.
Let's just say I have been posting "Con Law for Wingers" with the take home point being that Roe v Wade is NOT a stand alone decision easily reversed.
It won't be. There would be far too much collateral damage to the GOP if Roe actually were overturned, IMHO.
reddragon, google Griswold v Connecticut. I "cut and pasted" the summary.
Gotta go, this will will take time. Too much time.
The "tale of the two Ediths" - - stay tuned!
My bad, you are SO wrong about this. . .
Nowhere does it grant authority for government to restrict contraception.
What about cocaine? Or theft for that matter? Or bank robberies.
States have ALL soveriegn rights not prohibited by the US Constitution. Its the premise of federalism.
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If Roe v Wade is overturned, Griswold cannot be defended. Not to mention laws about what spouses can do in the privacy of their own homes.
Practically I have sympathy for the idea that abortion and contraception aren't the same thing. Legally, absent a clarifying constitutioanl amendment (yeah, rigth) I see NO legal way to reject Roe v Wade and preserve Griswold.
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But now, find a LEGAL basis to prohibit states from outlawing contraception without a "right to privacy" drawn from the penumbra (reading between the lines) of the Constitution.
The Constitution doesn't bestow rights but rather creates specific government powers. Nowhere does it grant authority for government to restrict contraception. Therefore, nothing more is needed. If that isn't enough, any birth control drug or device is property. Constitutionally the government doesn't have the authority to take it without due process. If the Constitution doesn't grant authority to restrict contraception, no law can be made doing so, hence no due process way to confiscate those items.
Abortion on the other hand, being mired in the uncertainty of when a fetus becomes a legal entity would still be open for debate.
No inferred right to privacy needed.
Cobra you write:
Abortion on the other hand, being mired in the uncertainty of when a fetus becomes a legal entity would still be open for debate.
Philosophically, I agree there may be something to your point. Practically there is NO legal precedent on which to build a decision. And if a fetus has legal rights, mothers who smoke can be sued for damages to their baby, right?
As another pragmatic matter, overturn/abolish the right to privacy and birth control pills can become illegal for the 10 -15 years it takes for cases to reach the US Supreme Court.
Over beer and pretzels and as part of a "what if" Hitler had gotten hit by a bus in 1932 discussion, we can debate the point in an amusing fashion.
In the real world, you are simply wrong. Very, very wrong. :;):
Outlandish? Okay, Justice Cobra, defend Griswold and reject Roe. How?
I'm not rejecting Roe! <throws hands up in exasperation>
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But on a practical level, it isn't hard to draw a legal distinction between contraception and abortion, they aren't the same thing.
On a practical level, you are correct.
But now, find a LEGAL basis to prohibit states from outlawing contraception without a "right to privacy" drawn from the penumbra (reading between the lines) of the Constitution.
Forget Roe v Wade
Lets chat about http://www.oyez.org/oyez/resource/case/149/]Griswold - - if there is NO right to privacy as Cobra says, can state's outlaw contraception?
Imagine Texas decides birth control pills are illegal.
A woman changes planes in Dallas-Forth Worth and gets arrested for having pills in her luggage.
Outlandish? Okay, Justice Cobra, defend Griswold and reject Roe. How?
Facts of the Case
Griswold was the Executive Director of the Planned Parenthood League of Connecticut. Both she and the Medical Director for the League gave information, instruction, and other medical advice to married couples concerning birth control. Griswold and her colleague were convicted under a Connecticut law which criminalized the provision of counselling, and other medical treatment, to married persons for purposes of preventing conception.
Question Presented
Does the Constitution protect the right of marital privacy against state restrictions on a couple's ability to be counseled in the use of contraceptives?
Conclusion
Though the Constitution does not explicitly protect a general right to privacy, the various guarantees within the Bill of Rights create penumbras, or zones, that establish a right to privacy. Together, the First, Third, Fourth, and Ninth Amendments, create a new constitutional right, the right to privacy in marital relations. The Connecticut statute conflicts with the exercise of this right and is therefore null and void.
No right to privacy? Griswold falls and states become free to outlaw birth control.
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If Roe v Wade is overturned on federalism grounds, as Clement might well do, red state & blue state conflict will increase, perhaps significantly.
Can Texas pass a law saying it is illegal for a Texas resident to travel to Illinois for an abortion?
Reversing Roe v. Wade would be explosive.
http://www.gawker.com/news/angelina-jol … zITM]Great poll!
Jolie versus Novak!