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#3926 Re: Not So Free Chat » Froggy's » 2006-11-04 01:09:31

Wait a minute, drive in Manhattan!? Are you nuts? I visited Manhattan one weekend; I worked in Elizabeth, New Jersey, and drove in to be a tourist Saturday and Sunday. I made a point of parking at the first parking lot I found after crossing the Lincoln Tunnel. It was painful getting that far. You don't drive. The island is only 11 blocks from the West River to the East River. I walked across and back. Use a subway if you have to travel the length. Do you know how many people live on Manhattan Island alone? There's no way for cars to be effective in a city that crowded. When I lived in Toronto I found it took 45 minutes to drive from highway 401 to the Toronto Eaton Centre, the big shopping mall downtown. It took 30 minutes by subway, so park at the Yorkdale shopping centre for free and spend $1.10 for subway fare. It's cheaper and quicker than downtown parking. You have to pay the fare each way and it has gone up since then, but still cheaper than parking. But Manhattan is orders of magnitude more insane. Don't ever, ever, EVER drive in Manhattan. It can't be fixed without killing off 90% of the population. Cars require space and drive on a surface, Manhattan is 3 dimensional, short buildings are 20 stories, the Empire State Building has 86 stories plus the dirigible tower, the WTC twin towers had 110 stories. Why would you expect a single layer of private automobile traffic to be able to serve that? Use the subway and use your feet, the small island is the only place it's practical to do so.

If you can have multistory parking garages, you can also have multistory streets, that way you can have enough street surfaces to accomodate the multistory buildings and all their occupants. The down side of course is their would be less great views out side your office and apartment windows and less sunshine too. But who ever said everybody had to cram into a small space like that anyway. If you have to do that to get some decent transportation, you might as well spread out. Otherwise the purpose of a city is to minimize travel time by bringing a whole lot of places close together, but if it takes 15 minutes to travel around the block the advantage of closeness is negated. I think the invention of the automobile has served one purpose; to allow people to live further apart from one another. It is safer for a population to be spread out rather than being packed in too.

We live in a world with nuclear weapons, with all of us packed in together, we make it easier for one nuclear bomb to kill all of us. If we spread out, then it becomes harder to kill all of us with only one bomb. Once of the reasons I support space travel is that it will allow the human race to spread out even further. Some people seem to have this idea , that we would go into space in order to have our elbows in our neighbor's faces and so we can pack ourselves cheek to jowl. I think some people love cities: they love the pushing and shoving, they like smelling each others body odor and the noisy neighbors who are always banging on your walls, floors and ceilings.

#3927 Re: Not So Free Chat » Bow Down Before Iran? » 2006-11-04 00:53:28

I keep the basic facts in my head and ignore the speeches, basically the Iranians, Lebanese and the Syrians started the War with Israel, and no amount of talking and propaganda is going to make me believe that the Israelis are responsible for that war. The Muslims have the Jews outnumbered by a considerable amount, hence the Israelis first priority is toward survival, with sparing the civilian lives of their attacking enemies being a distant second. The Israelis certainly cannot afford to lose one soldier for every terrorist they kill, it is simple mathmatics, hence they will want to use weapons that keep their enemy at a distance, these weapons unfortunately also kill some civilians, but Israel didn't start this war.

The modern state of Israel has been at war with its neighbors literally since day one.  To speak of who "started" the most recent action is ludicrous.

No, not ludicrous. Israel wasn't at war with Lebanon or Gaza until they kidnapped those Israeli soldiers. There may have been previous wars, but those were ended. Lebanon and the Palistinians started a new War with their unprovoked attacks. And here is the World calling for a cease fire. If it was one continuous war, I doubt they would have any reason to call for a ceasefire now. If it was just one continous war, it would be very simple for Israel, all it would have to do is kill Lebanese and Palestinians until there were no more, but you see ceasefire is part of their strategy to attack Israel and then call for a ceasefire so Israel cannot hit back, and then they attack Israel again and call for another ceasefire. Why is the World such a sucker, it should be obvious by now that the Lebanese and teh Palestinians only want war, and that they only use ceasefires as a strategy to protec themselves while they fight it. If I was the Israeli PM, I would not listen to the World's call for ceasefire the next time the Palestinians start another war with us. I'd let them start a War and then I'd finish them. My patience is at an end for these long unending wars, someone should have the guts to finish off the warmoners once and for all. None of this garbage of their making an attack and then coming to the peace table and then making another attack!

#3928 Re: Not So Free Chat » Froggy's » 2006-11-03 12:53:06

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Bob, you can notice that on your second photography, houses are built careless of the sun, that's not so clever, even if mass plan or air view can be pleasant for an architect's eye.

That would be how I would rebuild New York City if it were up to me.

Thanks, things aren't up to you, and that we live in democractic countries where administrated peoples are being asked their says.

I can only give you my view about what the solution ought to be, I can't pretend it is the concensus. The concensus and politics have produced a city with some of the worst traffic jams that I've ever seen, and I have to deal with this broken down transportation system every time I go into the city.

There are place where peoples want to step in the street, meet peoples, take a coffee at a nice terrasse without breathing fuel rejections.

And the concensus has produced a city where the traffic barely moves during rush hour, and people sitting in their cafes get to breath the emissions of hundreds of cars that just sit there idling waiting for the traffic to allow them to get to their destination. The main problems with Lower Manhattan are these: there are too many streets, they are not wide enough to accomodate two-way traffic in both directions, so often a map does no good in finding a way to you destination in this mess because you don't know the direction of each one-way street, and also their are those frequent road repairs and construction crews that block or close the roads obsoleting you original plotted path to your destination, and you have to pull out you map again while your in traffic because there is not place to park and plot an alternative route. Also most of the New York City traffic lights don't make allowances for left turns on two-way streets, they are just Red, Yellow, and Green with no directional arrows, and you have to take your chances on those left turns and time it just right so that you aren't hit by oncoming traffic. I've had a number of close calls while making these left turns and only my quick reflexes saved me from a collision. New York Conditions almost require aggressive driving, you must bolt if ever you are going to shift lanes because people simply ignore your directional signals and refuse to let you in to their lane if they can help it. With the traffic so bad, it means its an added delay for them if they let you in, so they do all they can to try and stop you from shifting lanes in front of them.

It also does not help that the streets in downtown New York have historic names rather than numbers which tell you your location in the city as is the case in Midtown. the problem lies with all these historic buildings and roads with the quaint atmosphere that are too narrow to permit sufficient traffic to pass. I get so frusterated some times that I wish I could level them all down and built a purely 21st century city that was designed for traffic.

Here in Paris, majority of peoples decided not to own a car, even a quarter of the car owners supports the restrictive car policy led by the Mayor, all polls show that the he'll be reelected, nobody cares he is an homosexual socialist.

Car owners are stressed, and pedestrians are the masters of the streets.
If you even touch a pedestrian or a biker with your car, no matter the traffic light colour, you are guilty.

So ignore the traffic problems you say? Just say to the drivers that have to get some place in Paris, "Tough pal, your on your own." One "solution" is to get rid of the cars, and leave people at the mercy of the Mass Transit unions that frequently go on strike to milk the passengers for everything they got. When you have your car, you have independence, when they take your car away, your are forced to use the local Mass Transist monopoly. The transit workers basically work for the government, and the government is not running mass transit for profit and it has no compeditors so it basically givers the transit union what it wants which is usually higher wages and more benefits, and since the poor passenger is deprived of his car, he has no coice but to use mass-transit and things like rail systems are basically natural monopolies. Maybe rail systems can get you their more quickly if the stations are conveiniently located, but only at the price they specify.

Stores where you go shopping still need to receive there goods for you to buy when you go shopping, that means truck drivers have to deliver them. Rail systems are no good for delivering merchandise, and they cannot be delivered very efficiently via hand cart between the rail station and the store. This means you still got to have vehicular traffic, and urging people not to drive is not an option when their job requires them to drive, and the truck drives have to travel on these stupid one-way streets that are too narrow, and they have to take risks smashing into somebody or in running over an unwary pedestian when they make those left turns under traffic lights that don't make alowances for left turns. Every time I see a traffic Jam, that means to me that the City is not doing its job properly.

#3929 Re: Not So Free Chat » North Korea Blew the NUKE !!! DPRK tests the bomb ? » 2006-11-03 10:28:37

If you assign a Muslim Family to live next to a Jewish one and you do it on a large scale, you are going to get lots of violence against Jews in France.

Missed ! You don't know how things happened here. The Jews in Paris were the first to gather as a communitarian society, the first to dress up with kippas and recognizable community clothes, up to the eighties, they didn't show they were Jews, they are partly responsible for the muslim response with dressing themselves up to show they are muslims

I know Parisians are very fashion-consious, but what does clothing have to do with it, Jews have had no history of burning buses and cars or rioting have they?

Socialist revolutions have produced a number of results, some of them were tyrannies, and others were simply inefficiently run democracies. Part of the Muslim riots in France are due to the socialist economy's inability to provide jobs for them as you said. Socialism is simply when the state does things that private enterprise ought to do.

Riots happened under a rightist regime whose economic efficiency hasn't been better than socialists, even worse.
Since we have not anymore a socialist governement, employment rate didn't improve by other means than retreating babyboomers as right now.

Excuse me, but I beg to differ, the Chirac Government has not been very capitalist oriented, it does not choose to call itself "socialist". Chirac's brand of conservatism has more to do with who he hates as opposed promoting market-oriented economic reforms. Unfortunately the Right-wing in many parts of Europe has been defined rather negatively by who it hates rather than what it wants to do to improve things. This LePen guy is a case in point, if he would promote Barry Goldwater conservatism rather than just try to run various minority groups out of France and do nothing else, then perhaps he might have gained more traction. For the Right wing in France, its easier to oppose than to propose.
The American Right Wing gave up its bigotry some time ago, they are opposed to welfare and handouts to minority groups now, rather than to blatanly discriminate against them as they have in generations past. Right now the rightwing promotes market based solutions to social problem. The rightwing in Europe is more busy looking for enemies, including those Americans, rather than seeking ways to solve society's problems and to improve the economy. The one thing that Holds LePen back is his antisemitism, and his franco-chauvanism, and their idea of who french people should be. All I'm saying is that people who are loyal to France, and who are loyal to some foreign power or group instad should be shipped out, not because of their dress, but because of their disruptive behavior, such as Bus burnings.

Private enterprises do take care only on profits, you see in USA that almost no investments have been done on electric supply for years and that states are more interested in supplying cheap power than private enterprises, because private electricity supply relies either on big monopolies, either on small ones, as well as railways networks.
We had a very performing electricity public service which supplied France with the cheapest electrity in Europe, and a governmental responsability on nuclear safety. We have the lowest confidence on private managers which will choose benefits rather than suppluying safe and cheap electricity.

In America, we get to choose our power companies, they provide power to the electrical grid and their customers take power off the grid. the only physical monopoly is the grid itself, and that is maintained in much the same way that a highway system is, while private trucking companies operate off of it. If France is supplying electricity to its customers at below cost, then that only means that you are paying for the electricity in other ways other than through your electric bill, maybe via taxes for instance. A compedative system does provide incentives to producers to reduce costs. The customer goes to the cheapest source, and those that can't price their products compedatively go out of business.

If France needs cheap workers, and it seems unable to employ those it has already got, it should look elsewhere for them other than North Africa or the Middle East.

You'd better read news instead of saying false things, we are part of Europe, and cheap workers are now easterner Europeans. The ones coming from North Africa are clandestine, just as you have mex clandestines.

Then you can ship them out, they don't exactly blend in you know.

There actions can certainly result in the deaths of American citizens,

This is again your premptive theory, as long as these leaders have done nothing that threats USA or US citizens, they have the right to lead their own policy

A sensible foreign policy. If they mind their own business, we mind ours. Countries that threaten US citizens either directly or indirectly aren't minding their own business and therefore we will tend to preempt where necessary.

#3930 Re: Not So Free Chat » Canada / U.S. relations » 2006-11-03 09:49:31

I'd be more worried about the Religious members of both parties, who have real differences ...  and agendas which are in no way democratic, eh?

Atheists have no fewer tendancies for theocratic style policies than the religious.

But the part of the democratic party that is the most religious is the Muslims. Democrats by and large tend to be secular except for the Muslims.

The reason for this is simple, because what Muslims want is for the United States not to win the War on terrorism, and the best party they see for not winning the War on Terrorism is the Democratic Party.

#3931 Re: Not So Free Chat » Bow Down Before Iran? » 2006-11-03 09:46:05

...Persians and Arabs either other than their unfortunate tendency to fight each other rather than concentrate their attacks on Americans and Jews.

Israel is the Islamoterrorist's "best friend," isn't it?  Israel's existence has kept them in business all these decades.  lol

Yes, Israel is a convenient red flag for hatemongers to wave around in order to stir up passions, incite riots and violence, etc.  They need Israel.

If Mahmoud Imanutjob (nods to Cobra) would succeed in wiping Israel off the map, the Islamoterrorists would soon find something else to carp on and on about to further their genocidal cause.

If all the hatemongers in this world had their way, the human race would become extinct. just add up all the groups they want killed off, and no doubt some other groups will want them killed as well. If we couldn't magically grat each one of these groups their wish, there would be no more humans on the planet.

#3932 Re: Not So Free Chat » Bow Down Before Iran? » 2006-11-03 09:42:09

It seems that the press is mostly of a single mind about who they want running this country, so they attempt to control the information that gets to the voter. the are overly negative about Republican Candidates, and overly positive about the Democrats and it shows. I don't like it one bit, its sort of like an attempted coup by the News Media, its like they want a Media-ocracy running this country so they get to pick the government instead of the voters.

US Press massively supported Iraq war, it doesn't anymore, back to realdom.

We saw how Bush managed New Orleans disaster, he slept well while anxious friends from Martinique and friends from Paris and I stood awaken all night watching minute by minute the hurricane progress, did he so ? Isn't it a shame that your president did care less than foreigners about what was happening to american citizens ?

No they did not, the Press simply hid their disdain for the war while it was popular, because they didn't want to seem unpatriotic to their audiences, they've been carefully chipping away at public opinion with unfavorable reports ever since the first shot was fired. We don't really have a free press in this country, one political faction has managed to take control of it, and they've carefully controlled the information that they report to the people so as to undermine support for the war, with the ultimate aim of losing it. I can see how they are coveing the campaigns for congress and that coverage is blatantly biased, with Democrats making all sorts of gaffs and the Media ignoring that, and with the Media focusing on Republican gaffs like a laser. Its easy to tell which side the Press wants to see win. If the press had its way, we'd be a one party state, with that one party being controlled by the press.

#3933 Re: Not So Free Chat » Bow Down Before Iran? » 2006-11-03 09:33:49

the problem is they are Arabs,

Iranians aren't arabs, iranian isnt' an arab language, you'd better go back to school take some geography and foreign civilisations lessons

I know what's what, and those distinctions are only important for them, and not for me, just as I don't side between Shiite and Sunni, do you want me to discriminate and favor one over the other? Why should I do that, neither faction has proven to be our ally, and both Arabs and Persians, Shiites and Sunnis have attacked Americans and Jews. Making up distinctions between the different types of Muslims that attack us does no good. We can perhaps exploit their tendency to fight each other to some degree, but we can't count on that mechanism to defeat them, it is much simpler to treat them as a single enemy to fight than to try to get involved in their internal politics, because that would mean siding with one side against another, and then having the side that were on suddenly turing around and attacking us when they believe they have the upper hand.

To be honest, I don't care what happens to Iraq, I just don't want any withdrawal by us to like like a victory for them. If we were to do such a thing, I would want to do it in such away as to punish both sides that have given us the most problems, that means if we were to partition Iraq, then we should do it in such as way that the Kurds get all or most of the Oil and they get the port facitility in the Persian Gult from which to sell it, and build a pipeline through Turkey to sell it, and the Arab Shiite, and Sunnis who are't Kurds can have whats left. What do the Turks get, they get to deport all there Kurdish minority into the new state of Kurdistan, all those who'd rather be Kurds than Turks will get to be deported to the country whose nationality they prefer. Problem solved. The Kurds get to carve their new state taking all the choice portions entirely out of Iraq, and those Iraqis that betrayed us get punished by getting only the most worthless pieces. Either the Iraqis make this Iraqi Republic work and thus a victory for our war aims, or we reward the Kurds with a new state to call their own, and the nonKurdish Iraqis end up as the big losers, and in the future, they maybe learn not to mess with us.

#3934 Re: Not So Free Chat » Bow Down Before Iran? » 2006-11-03 09:18:06

More and more ... Iran resembles Hitler's Germany in the 1930's, but with the addition now of long-range ballistic missles. Hitler could've taken "us" out without invading if he'd had them then. That little twit running Iran only has to change his name to something easier to pronounce like "Hitler" to make the comparison quite believeable....

the problem is they are Arabs, not white people as the German Nazis were, so as far as the extreme left wing is concerned its ok for them to be anti-semetic and intimate that they want to kill all the Jews in Israel while they seek to process Uranium.

Iran is Not an Arabic country it may be Muslim but the population are Persians and Azeri. Actually there national blood enemy is Arabs. It is one of the reasons that Saddam thought a war with them as the main population of Iraq is Sunni arabs and Arabs and Iranians hate each other. There is also the religion card where Shi'te and Sunni religions just do not get on. Iran is Shi'te.

Saudia Arabia is arming itself just to protect itself from Iran.

Still what is Irans long term aims. Certainly it was an empire and every child is told stories of the great Persian empires of the past. It may be that they see themselves as becoming the regional power of the middle east again and certainly they see the Kingdom of Saudia Arabia as a block to this.

It makes no difference to me what they are called. I see no distinctions between Persians and Arabs, just as I see no distinctions between Arabs and Germans during World War II. Some Hard Leftists do however, while they see the NAZIs as the facist enemy, a conclusion they came late too when NAZI Germany attacked their great Patron Russia, the left wing is willing to give the Arab and the Persian a break for their anti-Semitism, for them it is excusable for middleEastern men to be warmongers, bigots and antisemites, its just not excusable for Americans to be these things. If the Arabs and Persians want to wipe Israel off the Map, that's ok in their book, if America wants to stop it, that is Imperialism or interference, and I don't believe the left-wing in the western world sees the difference between Persians and Arabs either other than their unfortunate tendency to fight each other rather than concentrate their attacks on Americans and Jews.

#3935 Re: Civilization and Culture » Martian Gravity » 2006-11-02 22:20:36

I suspect people would get used to the gravity in a month or two and wouldn't bump into things. You would adjust so that your speed doing things is appropriate, just as you do in the winter on snowy and slippery sidewalks (which are probably equivalent to a lower-g environment than Mars, in terms of friction and horizontal movement).

Your scenario above makes Mars into a gigantic US-style suburb. But there is no reason to separate developments by long stretches of desert;

How about the fact that not everyone will want to live in one spot
The way I envision your Mars would be something like this, One big desolate planet with a lot of remote control robots teleoperated by satellites and one great big city of ten million people, all packed into a sphere 2.5 miles in diameter nesteled in a crater. Most people live in multilevel cubicals without windows under artificial lighting. The hallways are always filled with people who take the express elevator to work passing other crowds of people returning home from the last shift. Most people never seen the outside except via monitor screens that control most of the robots that roam most of the planet. People jostle each other push and shove to get into each elevator or tramway. Some people hit the ceiling when they jump up too high because the ceilings are low to afford maximum space usage, and people travel millions of miles to live in this? Never to set foot on Mars, and only to jostle around in seeimingly endless crowded corridors that are no better than what they left on Earth?

#3936 Re: Not So Free Chat » Canada / U.S. relations » 2006-11-02 22:08:46

Using capital D for democracy is confusing. The Democrats and Republicans are both democratically elected, so what's the difference? My take is that the present Democrats are more liberal socially than the Republicans who are less liberal, which is to say more conservative socially than the Democrats. Some difference! I'd be more worried about the Religious members of both parties, who have real differences ...  and agendas which are in no way democratic, eh?

Well since the religious members of the Democratic Party tend to be Muslims, need I say more.

#3937 Re: Not So Free Chat » North Korea Blew the NUKE !!! DPRK tests the bomb ? » 2006-11-02 12:50:56

The riots in french suburbs have nothing to do with Islam, that's youth riots against police harrassment ! I do work in these suburbs, 100% pure french and non muslims youngsters took part to the riots as well.
This is an economic problem with half of the men and boys under 30 having no jobs in these areas, except for drug dealing; with the babyboomers getting off the jobs  market, more of the youngsters find a job, less jobless people, less poverty, less young dealers, less rioters.

It appears then that socialism has not worked for them.

Don't mix social problems with ethnic problems.
We have no ethnically pure districts here in France, unlike some places in England or USA, these french surburb areas are ethnically mixed because they are results of cheap housing schemes where appartments are assigned to peoples on waiting lists depending of families incomes and needs, no matter which colours are.
Then in the same flats of houses you find Frenches, animist black Africans, north african Arabs, Chineses, or all originated peoples and teens and youngters gather in local gangs if any, not in ethnic gangs.

The sad fact is that certain ethnic groups do not get along with others, and you cannot paper over differences. If you assign a Muslim Family to live next to a Jewish one and you do it on a large scale, you are going to get lots of violence against Jews in France.

Just a hanfull french muslims protested against french news papers which publicated Muhammad's cartoons, some tryed to make a case, but justice dismissed their complains

There is something called freedom of speech and believe it or not, someone other than your own government can suppress your freedom of speech. In Sicily, you have something called the "code of silence", meaning that if you rat on the Mob, the Mob will send some thugs to murder you, even though your freedom of speech may be guaranteed by the Italian constitution, that government is not doing enough to safegard that freedom from the "Mafia's Code of Silence" and therefore people's freedom of speech in Italy are being violated due to government inaction in the matter. The Muslims have got something similar with regard to cartoon depictions of their religious leaders in unflattering ways. in a functioning democracy no one should be immune to criticism because of who they are.

If France needs cheap workers, and it seems unable to employ those it has already got, it should look elsewhere for them other than North Africa or the Middle East.

The exact same thing Kruschev has done, try to spread nuclear weapons to our enemies. In the case of Kruschev it was the Cuban Missile Crisis, it the case of Vladimir Putin it was Iran. They have done nothing but obstruct our efforts to curtail Iran's nuclear bomb program, and they have also sold Iran some air defenses that may cost US airmen their lives if ever they get called upon to take out Iran's nuclear bomb production facilities. Supplying our enemies is a hostile and unfriendly act.

I think that Iran is your ennemy because you said so and support Israel. Iranians just want to try to live, USA and France supported the Saddam's war lead at Iran, for them, we are the ennemy

Iran is our enemy because they took American hostage in 1979, and they have not appologized for it or made reparations. They still have that same regime that they put into power while they took of diplomatic personel hoatage for 444 days! I have not forgiven them for that, and they have not done anything to make me consider forgiving them. Also I do not believe in abandonng our allies, and Israel is an Ally, and so long as Iran is determined to wipe them off the map they will be our enemy. I will not stand aside to let them kill Jews.

Is this some kind of your threat against democratically elected leaders which offend your own peculiar sense of bringing democracy and welfare at peoples ?

If democratically elected Germany were to invade France, wouldn't you want to make them sorry they did so? Democracy makes the people responsible for their own government's behavior. If the German people decide that the French should be German, you would be perfectly within your rights to show the German people the error of their ways. Do you disagree with me in this?

Do Chavez, Vázquez or Morales represent a threat at USA, or do they just want to take control of their countrie's economy, which doesn't please you ?

There actions can certainly result in the deaths of American citizens, I don't think they can defeat the United States in an outright conflict, but I do think we should have something to say when they take actions that could threaten the lives of our citizens down the road. If Chavez helps the Iranians develop nuclear weapons of finances their operations, that can result in Americans being killed, it might not result in their defeating the USA, but I'd rather not have that war in the first place. Thus so long as Chavez is working toward making the World a more dangerous place for us, i would consider him to be our enemy.

DonPanic wrote:

It's under 5% of muslim minorities which make troubles trying to involve religion with politics, there is no vacuum, large majority of muslims want free religion practices under the actual laws protrection

If that 5% causes so much rioting, then that 5% is too much. Other populations don't have the bahaviour problems that many Muslim groups do. If they can't control their 5% then they should not be in France, they should instead stay in their own country and solve their own societal problems rather than bring them to yours. 5% is also enough to threaten free speech with mafia-like threats to newspapers and cartoon editors. You don't have to accept every body who wants asylum, just like you don't have to accept everyone who is trying to escape dealy and contageous diseases in their own country - as they might bring those same diseases to France. I consider terrorists and rioting as a sort of disease. if other countries have these problems, I certainly don't want to bring those same problems to my country.

Peoples born in France are french, quite the same in USA, you don't send muslim black Us offender citizens back to Africa, but to jail, just as we do.
You had, you can have again ethnical riots in USA.
Jailing is expensive, and if they insist that all French Citizens be Muslim or they refuse to adapt to French Culture, I would ship them out. If in their hearts and minds they are nt French regardless of which country they were born in, they do not belong there.

Ethnic minorities have cause untold suffering throughout Europe for centuries, they have been the excuses for wars that never seem to end. I would have solved the Northern Ireland problem by relocating ethnic Irish people into Ireland proper, instead of letting the conflict fester. make sure the proper national groups reside within their own borders so they don't remain the cause of festering wars.

Irishes have no more rights to tell to five centuries english or protestant descendants to go back to England than anybody as well as the opposite.
Intelligence is to live with peoples in regard of each own qualities and flaws

That is the ideal solution, but it has not worked, you can't expect just to wave your hands and say, "Now get along children," and expect them to listen to you. I have no patience for generations long conflicts, I don't like to see them fester indefinitely. If it requires forced relocations to stop these conflicts the long term gains in peace outweigh the short term pain and hardship imposed by these forced locations. I remind you that many Germans were forced to relocate after World War II, I don't see why this solution can not be applied to Northern Irish people who do not get along, or to the Palestinians for that matter. Who's cause is right or wrong is not as important as ending the conflict and moving on. If injustices are committed in this, well how much injustice is there in permitting a generations long conflict to fester and make victims out of new generations of people that are born into it. Isn't it better if they are born somewhere else and are allowed to live in peace?

Poland was also allied with France and England prior to World War II, didn't count for much as far as they were concerned, they ended up being occupied by the Soviets. It was the Soviets that ruined the idea of Socialism to me, it was their tendency to impose their ideas on other countries, collectivise their farms and send people who didn't agree with them to Siberia, that makes the left wing ideas suspect to me. The Bolsheviks gave a historical lesson to the World to beware of liberal ideas, and how the ideals of equality and social justice can lead to war, mass murder and violence.

You're mistaking, Great Britain and France declared war at Germany the days following the invasion fo Poland. We didn't win.
And french left wing leaders, President Mitterand was one, didn't not turn France into a stalinist dictatorship and no gulags were created

Socialist revolutions have produced a number of results, some of them were tyrannies, and others were simply inefficiently run democracies. Part of the Muslim riots in France are due to the socialist economy's inability to provide jobs for them as you said. Socialism is simply when the state does things that private enterprise ought to do. In a purely socialist system the government controls all forms of employment, it does not levy taxes as it simply finances itself from the profits of all the goods and services it offers from all the people it employs offering them.  Government doesn't compete against itself and it has laws protecting it from competions and it takes care of its compedators by simply arresting them for violating the law or by not permmiting them to ship their goods into the country. therefore more efficient means of doing things in government run industries are not sufficintly appreciated and not automatically impements as a way or reducing costs., since their primary concern is emplyment and not production, this produces shortages of good and lines at the stores. Customer service is rather spotty and people who work their are not under pressure for fear of losing their jobs. If customers annoy them, they just tell them to go away and they close the store for a lunch break. i wish I had a job like that, but not many of such jobs are offered in the Capitalist system.

#3938 Re: Not So Free Chat » Canada / U.S. relations » 2006-11-02 12:33:29

Why have a party that is called the Liberal Party, when its not filled with liberals? The same goes for the Conservative party. Shouldn't the party name have something to do with what the Party's about? It gets confusing when its otherwise. that said, I do wish the Democrats im my country would believe in democracy more, and they didn't say things like "things were better when Saddam Hussein was dictator of Iraq." I think a party that calls itself Democratic should be promoting Democracy throughout the World, and would at least give the opposition the benefit of the doubt when they themselves are trying to promote democracy in other parts of the world. Maybe they might disagree with the methods used, but they shouldn't be out trying to under mine the troops and reverse the progress already made by forcing the administration to leave a power vacuum for the terrorists to fill when they cut off funds.

#3939 Re: Not So Free Chat » Froggy's » 2006-11-02 12:23:28

I have a picture in my mind of a modern village of the near future, when flown over suddenly flashing brightly because of all the houses being oriented on their lots towards the noon position of the Sun, regardles of the street layout.

Screw the street layout, I have no respect for history when it interferes with my ability to go someplace. If I could, I would level the whole downtown section of New York and replace it with a nice square road grid each road having 4 lanes going in each direction, the outermost lane giving you someplace to parallel part, the second outermost lane for people who want to turn right or go straight, the seccond innermost lane for people who want to go straight only and the innermost lane for people who want to turn left. Every traffic light at every intersection would be equipped with left turn signals so that every car in the innermost lane has a chance to turn left without crashing into oncoming traffic or having to do stuff like move forward into the box while the light is green and wait for it to turn red above you so you have a chance to turn left and not get hit by oncoming traffic.

the way the roads are laid out and the way traffic is managed in New York City is so stupid. I'd also knock down all the buildings that don't have parking garages in the first two levels and replace them with ones that do. That would be how I would rebuild New York City if it were up to me.

#3940 Re: Not So Free Chat » Froggy's » 2006-11-02 12:14:52

When all is said and done, the plug-in electric vehicle is the right concept for now. Think of the reduction of city smog levels due to idling traffic three times a day, the continued ability to afford suburban village living without neighborhood gas pumps and the threat of fuel shortages, the on-going viability of existing infrastructures while we consider the future architecture of our cities without being rushed....

I think idling traffic is quite annoying. Whats the point of having highways if cars just sit there during Rush hour. Much of the problem is workers always on the highways repairing them and making traffic go slow. Ideally there should be twice as much highway as actually needed with two highways always going to the same location only that one highway is held in reserve as its repaired and the traffic is diverted to the other one while repairs take place. I would like dual electric smart highways replacing all the highways on our interstate system. On such a system you can recline your drivers seat and go to sleep as your car drives continuously fron New York to Los Angles for instance. the car would basically drive itself, guided by the smart highway. There would be a screen on your fron dashboard indicating the exits that are ahead, and if you wanted to get off at an exit, you would simply click on the one on your screen, and the highway system would move the other cars out of your way as it shifts the lane your car is on, and it would warn you to assume manual control of your vehicle as it gets off the electrified highway. Your car would not have to stop for fuel or recharge for the entire length of the trip on the highways. Alot of gasoline would not be burned as a result. Non electric cars would not be allowed on the electrified portion of the highway and their would be a concrete barrier separating the cars that are being driven by humans from the automated electric cars on the smart highway. This would make the eletrified portion of the highway quite predictable and it would reduce the chance of traffic jams that result from accidents caused by poor drivers, drivers falling asleep, driving too fast, or driving drunk or erratically, and the highway would control all the cars and the cars not controlled by the highway would not be allowed on. Everytime I see a traffic jam in New York City or heading into it, I get mad, because our public servants aren't doing their job. The solution exists and it can be implemented. Just think of all the money saved in gasoline that is not bought and in time that is not wasted sitting in traffic jams waiting to go somewhere. With all these advantages added in, I'm sure alot of people would switch to electric smart cars if the government were to make an investiment in an electric smart highway system. As an added bonus you could also have cable television in your smart car electric vehicle as the highway does the driving for you. Now how does that sound?

#3941 Re: Not So Free Chat » Bow Down Before Iran? » 2006-11-02 11:59:47

More and more ... Iran resembles Hitler's Germany in the 1930's, but with the addition now of long-range ballistic missles. Hitler could've taken "us" out without invading if he'd had them then. That little twit running Iran only has to change his name to something easier to pronounce like "Hitler" to make the comparison quite believeable....

the problem is they are Arabs, not white people as the German Nazis were, so as far as the extreme left wing is concerned its ok for them to be anti-semetic and intimate that they want to kill all the Jews in Israel while they seek to process Uranium.

#3942 Re: Not So Free Chat » Bow Down Before Iran? » 2006-11-02 11:54:55

Bad reporting and Media Fabrications have hurt our image. The Koran flushing incident for instance.

Breaking thermometers do not avoid fever  roll

The Thermometer is already broken, it does not give accurate readings.

The Mainstream Media is so blatantly on the side of the Democrats and the Politcal left that its not even funny. I tend to discount their reports somewhat. The incident where John Kerry made his alleged "joke" to students that they'd better get good grades or else they might end up in Iraq, didn't get any media coverage. A local news outlet covered the speech once, and it was only because a conservative talk show host was taping that show that he was able to make a News Event out of it, the biased News media was trying its level best to ignore and avoid the story, it didn't even receive mention in the New York Times. A former Democratic Presidential Candidate insulting the troops by basically implying that the only reason they are there is that they are stupid or uneducated. the Mainstream News Media obviously didn't want this to influence the election, so this conservative talk show host put it on his website and repeated it, showing the video coverage until the mainstream press had to cover it also.

It seems that the press is mostly of a single mind about who they want running this country, so they attempt to control the information that gets to the voter. the are overly negative about Republican Candidates, and overly positive about the Democrats and it shows. I don't like it one bit, its sort of like an attempted coup by the News Media, its like they want a Media-ocracy running this country so they get to pick the government instead of the voters.

#3943 Re: Not So Free Chat » Canada / U.S. relations » 2006-11-01 09:30:45

I hear that the Israelis are in Gaza now, shooting at Palistinians. The Palestinians just don't get it do they. In order to have peace, they have to stop shooting and firing rockets into Israel. Israel gave them their land and after a while the Liberals didn't know what to say about it, took them a little time to think it over and make excuses for the Palestinians continued hostility. It goes something like this, "Palestinians fire there rockets at the Israelis because they feel humiliated, or they are mad, or because the Israelis retaliated to severely after their last attack." Whatever the excuse Liberals will always seek to excuse the Palestinians and condemn the Israelis. I've seen this, and that's why the Democrats turned on Joe Liberman, because he understood that Saddam Hussein was no friend of the Jews, a group of which he claimed membership, and he was not willing to do anything that would help him or his cause out, even if that happened to be the Democratic strategy to take back the House and Senate.

#3944 Re: Not So Free Chat » Froggy's » 2006-11-01 08:47:43

One idea would be to combine the concept of a Smart Highway with that of an electric highway. Once the car drives onto the electric lane, the smart highway system takes over and guides the car to the exact center of the lane where a 5th wheel makes contact with the electric rail drawing power from it to propel the vehicle. The electricity would be paid for by tolls, and the tolls changed would be determined by the size of the vehicle. The cars would automatically recharge themselves while driving.

I think Smart Electric highway systems can at the same time reduce traffic congestion, accidents, and our dependency on fissil fuels.

#3945 Re: Not So Free Chat » Canada / U.S. relations » 2006-10-31 13:06:13

It always seemed to me that the burden of peace always rested on America's and by extension Israel's back. If an America starts a war, we get condemned, if Muslims start a war, we get blamed for making them mad.

#3946 Re: Not So Free Chat » Canada / U.S. relations » 2006-10-31 09:35:58

Iraq invaded Kuwait in 1990, the Persian Gulf war in 1991 was authorized by the UN and kicked them out. General Norman Swartacopft was in charge of that operation, when he said it was over and it was time to go home, that meant it was over and time to go home. No further action against Iraq could ever be justified.

Typical French Naivity that got them in so much trouble during World War II. They kicked the Germans out in World War I, wasn't that good enough? Apparently it wasn't.

The government is the only tool we have to fight the external threat

What threat!? Again stop and listen to yourself. The government is taking away democracy and freedom with the mysterious "threat".[/QUOTE] Wasn't so mysterious on 9/11.

#3947 Re: Not So Free Chat » Canada / U.S. relations » 2006-10-31 09:30:36

My distrust of people who come from radical Islamic Regimes...
chance on...being terrorists.
Islamic world...I'd like to contain that contageon...Ebola
Canadians wouldn't be as concerned about Radical Islamic Fundamentalists getting in their country, because they are targeting Americans

Try to listen to yourself. Why do you think people of third world countries are against you? My experience travelling America is that most do understand freedom and democracy, but are so self-centered they don't know how to apply that to anyone outside America. Stop and listen to yourself. You're racist. Not every American is, but people like you give America a bad name.

If it were merely a matter of a person's race or skin color, I wouldn't have a problem with them living in my country, but if certain ethinic groups have societal tendencies toward violence, and rioting, then I don't want them causing problems for Americans already living here. Just because other people's countries aren't perfect doesn't mean that we Americans have to suffer due to immigrants from those other countries bringing their violence here.

The Muslim cartoon controversy: Should we give up our freedom of speech just because some of it offends some immigrant groups that come here? If they get offended by our freedom of speech, then they should not come here.

#3948 Re: Not So Free Chat » Froggy's » 2006-10-31 09:24:54

Another type of electric car is possible, this one is powered by a road rail embedded in the nation's highways. the typical commuter drives to the nearest highway amd once he pulls onto the highway, induced electric current powers the electric motors in his car, and once off the highway either a battery or a hydrogen fuel cell powers the car for the rest of the way. Electric cars can travel quite a distance on an electrically powered highway, it is the same as in principle electric trains. I'd rather not rely of gasoline just because its convenient, the money goes to bad causes.

#3949 Re: Not So Free Chat » North Korea Blew the NUKE !!! DPRK tests the bomb ? » 2006-10-31 09:12:41

Why should we be "quaking in our boots" at the mere thought of angering the Muslim Population? The American population has gotten angry on many occasions, but they way we express our anger has not been in launching terrorist attacks, or rioting. We do not riot or kill people over silly things like insults to our religion. That is the problem with the Muslim World. Look no further than Paris, what was all that rioting about, two French Muslims that got electrocuted last year while trying to evade police. I hear the Muslim crowds have torched a bus recently. The problem is not our angering the Muslims, the problem is how the Muslims express their anger. It is not excusable for a Muslim Mob to burn city property in Paris just because someone made them mad. Parisians do not deserve this, and they do not have to live with it.

You're hating Putin ! To paraphrase you: "Whatever has Putin done to your country of USA/ Has Putin ever done as much as Hitler has?
Each time George Bush angers the muslims, it's more terrorist danger for the USA's allies, and up to now, we are allies, except for the Iraq disagreement, none of your leaders ever complained about our collaboration on fighting AlQaeda and affiliate terrorists.

The exact same thing Kruschev has done, try to spread nuclear weapons to our enemies. In the case of Kruschev it was the Cuban Missile Crisis, it the case of Vladimir Putin it was Iran. They have done nothing but obstruct our efforts to curtail Iran's nuclear bomb program, and they have also sold Iran some air defenses that may cost US airmen their lives if ever they get called upon to take out Iran's nuclear bomb production facilities. Supplying our enemies is a hostile and unfriendly act.

Is this some kind of your threat against democratically elected leaders which offend your own peculiar sense of bringing democracy and welfare at peoples ?

If democratically elected Germany were to invade France, wouldn't you want to make them sorry they did so? Democracy makes the people responsible for their own government's behavior. If the German people decide that the French should be German, you would be perfectly within your rights to show the German people the error of their ways. Do you disagree with me in this?

It's under 5% of muslim minorities which make troubles trying to involve religion with politics, there is no vacuum, large majority of muslims want free religion practices under the actual laws protrection

If that 5% causes so much rioting, then that 5% is too much. Other populations don't have the bahaviour problems that many Muslim groups do. If they can't control their 5% then they should not be in France, they should instead stay in their own country and solve their own societal problems rather than bring them to yours. 5% is also enough to threaten free speech with mafia-like threats to newspapers and cartoon editors. You don't have to accept every body who wants asylum, just like you don't have to accept everyone who is trying to escape dealy and contageous diseases in their own country - as they might bring those same diseases to France. I consider terrorists and rioting as a sort of disease. if other countries have these problems, I certainly don't want to bring those same problems to my country.

Georgia detached from USSR without consulting Abkhazia's and South Ossetia's populations which live there since centuries. Independence for the Goergians refused for the minorities.

The Sudetenland Germans also lived their for centuries, that didn't make the Germans murder Jews any less when they invaded Czechoslovakia.

Also Putin has introduced blatant discriminatory practices on Ethnic Georgians living in Russia, he's block money transfers to Georgia and cut off gas supplies their and closed the border. Seems as if Georgians are the new "Jews" of Russia.
I think that if Putin is going to use ethinic Russians as an escuse to invade or topple their neighbors governments, then those governments should save Russia the trouble and expell the ethinic Russians who lived their for centuries. the same goes for Kurds in Turkey, if Iraq breaks up and Kurdistan becomes a reality, then Turkey can make the Ethinic Kurds pack their bags and send them over to their home country of Kurdistan if they don't want to be Turks. Germany had historical designs on France, if it does so again, then its bye bye ethnic Germans, they've caused enough grief by allowing themselves to become Hitlers excuses for conquest, if they suffer from the loss of their homes, too bad, the greater good of their neighbors who don't like tobe invaded and occupied take greater precidence.

Ethnic minorities have cause untold suffering throughout Europe for centuries, they have been the excuses for wars that never seem to end. I would have solved the Northern Ireland problem by relocating ethnic Irish people into Ireland proper, instead of letting the conflict fester. make sure the proper national groups reside within their own borders so they don't remain the cause of festering wars.

I supposed you don't even notice that Poland is now a NATO member, a member of Europe, and de facto, Europe and the French should react against your fantasmatic so called-Putin threat at Poland.

Poland was also allied with France and England prior to World War II, didn't count for much as far as they were concerned, they ended up being occupied by the Soviets. It was the Soviets that ruined the idea of Socialism to me, it was their tendency to impose their ideas on other countries, collectivise their farms and send people who didn't agree with them to Siberia, that makes the left wing ideas suspect to me. The Bolsheviks gave a historical lesson to the World to beware of liberal ideas, and how the ideals of equality and social justice can lead to war, mass murder and violence.

#3950 Re: Not So Free Chat » Froggy's » 2006-10-29 12:47:54

Personally I'd like to break the back of OPEC, I get tired of the world putting their petty religious concerns and their anti-Israel bias on the pedestal. I'd like to use alternate energy as an economic weapon to get even with those Arab states for all those terrible things they did to us. I'd like to dry up their revenue stream. My primary concern is not the availablity of fuel for my vehicle, but of where the money I buy it with is going. Money is fungible. The only way of drying up that revenue tream the arabs use to fund their religious Jihad is to produce an alternate fuel that uses an alternate infrastructure that Petroleum cannot make use of. Hydrogen fits that bill. If we drive cars that consume hydrogen, then their will be less demand for oil and OPEC's revenue stream will dry up, then it will be a matter of what the OPEC nations can actually produce with their own labor rather than the amount of oil they can pump out of the ground.

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