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#351 Re: Human missions » Earths Oceans Explored - but why not colonized » 2017-01-28 01:00:12
The ocean life will happen when you can no longer afford to live on land for sure.
It would require advanced robotics to build the land cheap enough so ordinary people can afford to live on it.
#352 Re: Not So Free Chat » Politics » 2017-01-27 01:08:33
Tom Kalbfus you list not one free air broadcast systems channel for public viewing and that is the difference between censorship when you can not afford to do nothing else... Going digital caused a filtering of information to the masses that do not have internet, satelite or cable coming into there home....The new free air broadcast channels on digital are less strong with signal propagation than even the old analog UHF had so not as many views occur for the stations that still do broadcast....The PBS is also with no commercial advertisement so no funding system other than from donors and special fund raising events.
Nothing is free, not even public television, it is just paid for differently. If you want PBS to keep broadcasting then donate, but I don't think it deserves government funds. We pay for that through our taxes, therefore it is just another form of pay TV. Broadcast is obsolete, in the future people will watch shows on websites, not on free air broadcasting and not on cable. People will watch their shows when the want to watch them, there would be no television schedule except for News and Sporting events. There are many ways to pay for television and get no commercials. Netflix for example has no commercials!
Now is California the only state containing illegals? I do not think so...
Trump has signed a dozen executive orders in his first few days in office, past eight years, Republicans skewered President Obama as an "emperor" who acted outside of his "legal authority" for the executive orders he issued from the Oval Office.
Which sounds to me that it being done by the Republicans and that its ok now....
Donald Trump’s First Six Days in Office: Here’s What He’s Done
Begin to open up your wallet as McConnell, Ryan Say Congress Will Pay for Trump's estimate will cost $12 billion to $15 billion Border Wall not Mexico.....
White House Floats 20 Percent Tax on Mexican Imports to Pay for Border Wall: White House Spokesman
New Trump Agency Memo Gags Staff Communications, Democrats Say in memo -- dated Jan. 20 -- circulating at the Department of Health and Human Services
The Trump administration is circulating a memo ordering federal employees not to communicate with Congress, a demand that Democrats are calling an illegal gag order.
“The Trump administration has issued restrictions at multiple agencies on employee communications, including, in some instances, communications with Congress,” Rep. Elijah Cummings, D-Md., wrote in a letter Wednesday to new White House counsel Donald F. McGahn II. “These directives appear to violate a host of federal laws.”
Cummings’ letter cited a memo -- dated Jan. 20 -- circulating at the Department of Health and Human Services from Acting Secretary Norris Cochran the acting secretary that tells agency division heads that “no correspondence to public officials (e.g., members of Congress, governors) ... unless specifically authorized by me or my designee, shall be sent between now and Feb. 3.”
Trump strategist Stephen Bannon tells media to "keep its mouth shut" the media is the “opposition party” of the new administration and “should be embarrassed and humiliated” by the unanticipated election result.
Trump to Sign Executive Order Related to Voter Fraud, White House Says You have people that are registered who are dead, who are illegals, who are in two states. You have people registered in two states
DOJ Delay in Texas Voter ID Case Sparks Concern Amid Trump’s Debunked Fraud Claims
Justice Department lawyers challenging Texas' voter ID law asked a federal appeals court to delay a hearing in the case. The hearing had been scheduled to consider whether the law intended to discriminate against racial minorities, or whether it merely did so incidentally.Civil Liberties Groups to Donald Trump: ‘See You in Court’
Madeleine Albright says she's "ready to register as Muslim in #solidarity" Trump promised to enforce “extreme vetting” and suspend immigration from certain Muslim countries, Trump is “obviously mentally ill
#353 Re: Not So Free Chat » Election Meddling » 2017-01-27 01:00:57
I see no point to continuing to participate in this argument. The difference between belief and reality is so vast for Tom, like it is for Trump (and the tea party), that there is no common ground to converse here.
There was no vast fraudulent voting. The Russians swayed opinions with fake news, but did not mess with vote tallies (although they could have). There is no such thing as trickle-down economics (that has been known for millennia, political belief systems that say otherwise are lies). Torture really is illegal under international law. Pipelines and resource recovery are fine, but making messes while doing them is not. Clean air and clean water really do make a difference: compare Beijing today with LA and NYC today, so censoring government agencies involved with the environment to keep their dismantling secret from the public is a great evil. Building another Great Wall of China on the Rio Grande makes absolutely no sense (there is no expensive wall that cannot be defeated by cheap ladders and shovels, you can ask the Chinese), while reforming the work permit process actually does make sense.
Facts actually do matter.
GW
How many Americans rely on RT news to get all their information about what's going on? Do you really believe there is a significant percentage of the American People that use the Russians as their sole news source? If all the Russians wanted to do was lie, then there was no need for hacking. Hacking implies they uncovered the truth, truth that apparently you would prefer remain covered. So you wanted Clinton's secrets to remain secret so she could get elected, and you blame the Russians for exposing the truth, in other words you want to shoot the messenger!
#354 Re: Human missions » Earths Oceans Explored - but why not colonized » 2017-01-26 07:23:35
Seems easier to live on the surface of the ocean than underneath. You just need to get something that floats, and you have breathable air.
#355 Re: Not So Free Chat » Election Meddling » 2017-01-26 07:20:34
Sure why not, and while they are doing that, they can see if those illegal aliens voted in California. I wonder who had more of an impact on the election, Russian hackers or illegal aliens? I bet it was the illegal aliens!
#356 Re: Not So Free Chat » Politics » 2017-01-26 07:18:39
SpaceNut wrote:elderflower wrote:We need a "Like" button GWJ. Moderators please note.
Ya that would be cool....
But it would need Admin level to create and impliment
Doing some quick research... This forum is based on forum software called FluxBB. In 2006, before the Great Crash, it was based on PHPBB so has already gone through an upgrade. The next version is in Beta, called Flarum. It's a complete re-write, so would have major impact on New Mars. And it's still in Beta test. But the feature list includes a "Like" button, and appears optimized for mobile devices such as smart phones. The example forum on the development website looks significantly different than New Mars. Not sure I like it. So maybe, maybe not. I'm not an admin, just speculating.
And what do you want to do with a like button? How abut just saying that you like it? Isn't that enough?
#357 Re: Not So Free Chat » Politics » 2017-01-26 07:16:08
So what are American in store for from this president..oh just a continued gutting without care... how about starting with congress.. Trump wants to kill these 17 agencies: Here's what they cost
Donald Trump's planned budget cuts appear to be targeted more at undercutting Democratic priorities...to eliminate roughly $10.5 trillion in spending over the next 10 years.Corporation for Public Broadcasting
National Endowment for the Arts
National Endowment for the Humanities
Minority Business Development Agency
Economic Development Administration
International Trade Administration
Manufacturing Extension Partnership
Office of Community Oriented Policing Services
Office of Violence Against Women
Legal Services Corporation
Civil Rights Division of the Justice Department
Environment and Natural Resources Division of the Justice Department
Overseas Private Investment Corporation
UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
Office of Electricity Deliverability and Energy Reliability
Office of Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy
Office of Fossil Energy
At least Trump is trying to cut the Budget, and honestly, do we really need a corporation for public broadcasting? We have so many channels, and television is obsolete anyway. We can watch shows on the internet! You know, I kind of like the History Channel, I like the Discovery Channel, those channels produce shows similar to PBS, an of course there is BBC America, for the kids there is Nickelodeon, Disney Junior etc. We can live without a National Endowment for the Arts, Artists can earn their money the old fashioned way, by selling their art! The National Endowment for the Humanities, ditto, hey can sell tickets to their shows and if they are any good, people will buy them. Minority Business Development? Lets get real, its been 152 years since the slaves have been freed, racial discrimination is so low that we've elected our first black President, and that is before we've even had a first woman president and our first Jewish President, its time to kick the crutches out and let minorities fend for themselves in the job market! Racial discrimination can't be that much of a problem if we've elected our first black president, money spent here is better spent elsewhere or used to pay down the debt. Economic Development Administration? The best economic development would be to cut taxes and let the economy grow, Obama's record on this is abysmal. I can see the thinking of Trump on most of these programs, no one will die if we cut them!
#358 Re: Terraformation » Landmaking » 2017-01-25 23:08:49
Why don't they move today, to the space colonies we built in the far off year of 2000AD?
I find your faith in progress to be... disturbing.
What's so special about the year 2000 other than its divisible by 1000?
The year 2000 is between two science fictional years
and
Both made guesses about what would come to pass and when based on when the Millennium was ending, the year 2000 was quite an arbitrary date in fact. 2001 came out in 1968, Space 1999 came out in the 1970s. So lets use the base date of 1970 as our arbitrary present. Imagine we lived in 1970 and we were making predictions about the future based on what has happened so far. NASA has just celebrated its 11th anniversary, and we can see a decade worth of accomplishments. It wasn't too long after the Soviets launched Sputnik, and we launched John Glenn into orbit, we did the Mercury, Gemini, and Apollo missions. All these missions had one thin in common, they relied on a throwaway rocket architecture. Nixon was trying to decide what to do, whether to attempt to build a reusable shuttle of go on with the throwaway rocket architecture to put a man on Mars. We could have done it too, each new first would have cost more and more.
The future envisioned by Arthur C Clarke was on based on linear projection from what has gone on before, namely that the Cold War would go on and so too would the Cold War Space Race with the United States and the Soviet Union continuing to try to top each other, and each one's space budget getting larger and larger to accomplish this. An Optimists linear projection of the future might go something like this:
1969 Apollo 11
1970 Apollo 12, Apollo 13
1971 Apollo 14, Apollo 15
1972 Apollo 16, Apollo 17
1973 Apollo 18, Apollo 19
1974 Apollo 20, Apollo 21
1975 Skylab Launched into low Earth orbit Apollo 22 Capsule delivers the Skylab 1 crew
1976 Apollo 23 Skylab 2 crew, Apollo 24 Skylab 3 crew
1977 Apollo 25 Skylab 4 crew, Apollo 26 Skylab 4 crew
1978 Space Shuttle Columbia Launched with a crew of two astronauts
1979 Space Shuttle Challenger Launched with a crew of two astronauts
1980 Space Shuttle Atlantis Launched with a crew of two astronauts
1981 Space Shuttle Discovery Launched with a crew of two astronauts
1982 Space Shuttle Endeavor Launched with a crew of two astronauts
1983 Space Shuttle Odyssey Launched with a crew of two astronauts
1985 Each Shuttle is launched twice per year for a total of 12 shuttle launches averaging about 1 a month
1986 the Launch rate increases to 4 times a year for a total of 24 shuttle launches
1987 NASA begins construction of a space station, the shuttles ferry up module after module
1988 The Launch rate goes to 8 times a year the shuttle fleet now launches a total of 48 missions in a single year
1990 NASA develops its fly back external tank, and a pair of winged liquid fueled side rockets the Shuttle is now totally reusable.
1991 The launch rate increases to 16 times per year for a total of 96 shuttle missions undertaken in a year.
1992 The Space Station Freedom is complete!, A Lunar tug is launched into orbit on top of an Expendible Saturn VI rocket. The shuttles deliver fuel to the tug in low Earth orbit.
1993 Lunar tug delivers space station modules into Lunar orbit. Another Lunar tug is launched into orbit and is fueled by the fleet of shuttles
1994 The orbiting Lunar Space Station is complete. A lander is delivered to the space station and Lunar tugs deliver fuel to the lander. The Lunar Lander is a one stage reusable vehicle that is refueled at the Lunar orbiting space station.
1995 The first astronaut since the Apollo 21 mission sets foot on the Moon.
1996 A Lunar base is set up on the Moon's surface, astronauts begin long term habitation of the Moon
#359 Re: Terraformation » Landmaking » 2017-01-25 12:37:54
If it is just one foot, existing sea defences in the UK will not be overwhelmed too much. If it is several feet my descendants will have an unnecessary problem. The inhabitants of places like Bangladesh, Cambodia or Florida will be largely displaced and you will see a refugee problem far exceeding any caused by the odd war.
That is why we will build space colonies for them to live in. People tend to exaggerate global warming to precipitate hasty action and sacrifices. There is very little we can do now that will have much affect in the world of 2100 AD! Just as I don't think there was much people in the 19th century could have done to make our World a better place. People in the 19th century weren't worried about global problems, they had plenty of immediate problems right in front of them, and by the way, so do we! Our descendants will be more capable and technologically sophisticated than we, problems will be more easily solved by them than us, but if we cripple ourselves, we won't ever get to that future.
#360 Re: Not So Free Chat » Election Meddling » 2017-01-25 12:27:24
Tom:
Well, you're so wrong about so many things. A sampling:
We all had Trump's entire campaign during which to spot the general uninformed unfitness, and the chronic lying, and the insecurity about being criticized. "Fair" has nothing to do with it, it is just a simple matter of observing public behavior.
Ted Cruz was more honest, but Trump knew that in order to make changes, you have to win, and he observed that the Democrats lied and still won a lot of elections, particularly the one where Obama beat Mitt Romney, who Trump backed at the time. Trump probably saw Ted Cruz as a well meaning candidate, but he figured he had to use strategy in order to win, the honest truth teller dint stand a chance without some embellishments and exaggeration to make one's point, and Trump was in the end more honest than Hillary, who told some real obvious lies. If you are complaining about who wins, you should blame the voter. There are a lot of stupid voters out there that fall for this, you can like it or not, but they still vote, so what are you going to do? Stand in principle and lose or do what is necessary and win? Trump was of the opinion that he had to win first. Now that he's won, we are going to see what he's actually going to do, an for tht, only 5 days has elapsed, usually its traditional to give an incoming President 100 days before you start criticizing him on his accomplishments.
As I said (and you ignored), I hope he does succeed. But he has an awful lot to learn and an awful lot of character flaws to address, to be successful. So I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for him to succeed. He will do us a lot of damage while he learns. If he learns.
I'm sorry "Peter Perfect" didn't win, but he probably didn't stand a chance of being nominated in the first place, because he was too honest, and the voters get what they deserve in he end.
As for the "tea party" extremists, that movement really was the Reagan Revolution that got Reagan elected. They just didn't call it "tea party" back then. Same right-wing extremists that allied with the religious extremists to get out their vote too. Some of the originals were the KKK-types who left the democratic party in the years right after the 1965 civil rights act. Before that, they were "southern conservative democrats".
Tell me, why would Klu Klux Klan members join the party of Lincoln? It was the party of Lincoln that defeated them in the first place, not only during the Civil War, but the majority of legislators who voted for the Civil Rights Act were Republicans, not Democrats!
When Bill Clinton won, the leaders of this right-wing extremist bunch holed up and developed a new strategy of obstructionism (prioritizing party advantage above the duties of the jobs they swore to do). They still didn't use the name "tea party", but it's the same bunch. The ringleaders who turned the right-shifted GOP into the "party of no" were Newt Gingrich, Eric Cantor, Paul Ryan, and a couple of other names I no longer remember after so many years. But it was Gingrich that forced a government shutdown during those years.
And because of their "Obstructionism, we had a robust economy, taxes stayed low, and the deficit went into surplus. As you know, "no" costs a lot less than "yes!"
This was also about the time right-wing extremist talk radio became so popular with the extremist conservative voter crowd. It inflamed the "base" to be even more extremist, which is how Eric Cantor got "tea partied" in his primary, still long before the name "tea party" was used.
Since the Left took over the mainstream media, many conservatives turned to talk radio and Rush Limbaugh became quite popular with people sick and tired of the Media's Left Wing bias.
It's only in the last decade or so that the name "tea party" sprung up from the grass roots, and the most of the extremist right wing of the GOP adopted it, and has been steadily purging out all mainstream republicans who will not adopt extremist positions.
And what did Samuel Adams and his buddies do?
There, that's the history of the GOP for the last 40 years. I could tell an equally sordid tale about the democrats, but I won't, to save space. As I said, I am an independent (something you also chose to ignore). I don't like either one of them.
It's history like that which proves beyond any shadow of a doubt that party agendas (from either side!!) make really bad public policy.
Lucky thing then that Trump is not partisan. He's quite willing to work with Democrats, if only they would stop attacking and insulting him unfairly! Its been only 5 days, I think I am being quite reasonable in insisting that you lay off and give him a chance. If you criticize him now, you will weaken your arguments in the future when you may have some legitimate criticisms. All you are doing now by criticizing him is showing your prejudice against anyone who ran and won as a Republican. For Trump the Republican Party was a party of convenience, he has not made his career out of politics, politics is just his hobby! He's going to do what he ran for President to do, and when he' done, he's going to leave the White House and never turn back. This Presidency thing is just a one time stint, a feather in his cap to top off his career in Business and real estate. I don't think he plans to do anything in particular after the Presidency, he certainly isn't going to be looking for a job, he doesn't need anything from anyone, he is doing this for his country!
The obstructionism has to go. The extremism has to go. This is the same bullshit that brought the Nazis, the Bolsheviks, and the Fascists to power.
Calling him a "Nazi" just undermines your argument, if you want to be taken seriously, don't throw around words like "Nazi!" You are nly helping out the real Nazis if you do! If you call a bunch of people who aren't Nazis, "Nazis" you increase the chances of a eal Nazi someday getting elected! If you don't want an extremist to get elected, then stop using extremist language against your opponents! I think I am being reasonable and logical in saying this.
Personally, in my opinion, breaking oaths of office to prioritize party advantage over doing the duties of said office should be treated as treason. It meets the definition under the "aid and comfort to the enemy" clause, and there are certainly millions of witnesses in an age of mass media. We'd certainly have a lot of offices to re-fill, if we were to do that.
GW
Well Trump took his oath of office five days ago, how has he broken it? I say you are being quite unfair to him and you are showingyour prejudice. Prejudice is a word than not only applys to racial discrimination by the way, it means to pre-judge, it is a way to say you are being unfair and judging people before the facts come in. Trump has won the election. The only way to judge him as a President is to give him time to be President, and you have not done that!
#361 Re: Terraformation » Landmaking » 2017-01-25 11:52:54
Just a bit crap for those who live near sea level. eg me and 3 billion others.
Do you think you will still be around when the Ocean rises by 1 foot in the year 2100 AD. Do you think all those people can step back a foot raise their houses by 1 foot or simply build more houses at higher elevations in that time? I don't see any reason to get all worked up about a 1 foot rise in sea level that our descendants may have to face, and I think they will be better equipped to deal with global warming than we will. Descendents that build these:
and these:
and these:
Do you really think people capable of doing this would be drowing in 1 foot of water at the sea shore?
#362 Re: Human missions » NASA's Asteroid redirect/retrieval mission; should it be cancelled? » 2017-01-25 10:42:49
Terraformer-
Even after consideration of the 36 ton to orbit based on complete recovery of the booster stages of the Falcon heavy, rather than the 53 tons to LEO as a throwaway, this is pretty good bang for the buck. That calculates to $2.72 million per ton. After we adjust for first stage recovery by deducting $16M/ stage recovered from the cost by making a second launch cost $50M, that subsequently reduces the price per ton delivered to LEO all the way down to $1.39 M. A second re-use of the boosters should reduce the cost per launch even further, and as GW has calculated, around $1 M per ton. Or less, if we give a basic cost to range management, refurbishment of stages between flights, and roughly $200,000 for RP-1 and LOX per stage per flight (Musk's figures). Maybe we use a figure of (just a WAG!) of $20 M per launch with all ancillary costs included for a completely amortized set of stages, brings us down to a figure of ~ $500,000 per ton to LEO. There's simply NO WAY that ULA can compete with the SLS. This is bringing down the cost of...gasp!...Orbital Tourism!
but we already spent money on the SLS, so lets recover that money by launching them, if not for manned missions, how about missions to the outer planets?
#363 Re: Not So Free Chat » Politics » 2017-01-25 08:42:55
Roads are not being properly maintained and its due to the high cost to keep them in a safe condition...
of which you can see by the table that they are no where near funding by these methods of collection to pay for them.https://taxfoundation.org/gasoline-taxe … d-spending
https://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/04/us/a … .html?_r=0
One in ten U.S. bridges in urgent need of repair Study: 58,000 U.S. bridges found to be 'structurally deficient'
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/thousands-o … -collapse/https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/tr … story.html
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016 … /80512038/
Report to congress https://fas.org/sgp/crs/homesec/RL34127.pdf
Trump is a businessman, perhaps there are cheaper ways to maintain and repair the infrastructure than are currently being used. If the highways and bridges were privatized, the companies running them would be responsible for repairs and upgrades, they could use the EZ-Pass cashless tolls to raise money just as governments currently do, and they could cut the cost of construction by hiring non-union labor, and not have those construction workers basically sit on the highways practically doing nothing while they cause traffic jams. I've seen construction zones that have lasted years with construction workers spending time redirecting traffic and getting paid. Maybe we could spend less time providing these people with stable employment and more into actually fixing our highways and bridges. A government doesn't have much incentive to do this, they like to create jobs, a private company would have more incentive to keep costs down and fix those roads and bridges as quickly as possible so they can earn a profit. They can charge whatever tolls they think the market will bear, and if the market will not bear them, then maybe those roads and bridges are not as useful as we thought. The cashless toll system will allow for more privately run highways and bridges. Governments can earn some money by selling them to private companies, and when those companies change the toll, it will not be a political issue as it is now.
#364 Re: Not So Free Chat » Election Meddling » 2017-01-25 08:32:57
The simple truth is, Donald Trump is one of the safest President's America has had in a long while.
Is his domestic and economic policy lacking? Certainly. No worse than the President's immediately preceding him, but I suspect he'll largely continue the same bad policies of drug war, spying on the population, security theater, massive government spending, building infrastructure that's not needed... no pluses there, but no worse than the alternative.
Cultural policy? Doesn't have one. He's not a culture war President. Which is a very good thing. I don't think he's interested that much in how you wish to live, or how you think others should live.
Foreign policy? Much better. He's anti-interventionist, and doesn't try to stoke tensions with Russia.
Is he the best? No, I would have much preferred a Paul-Amash ticket. Is he better than the alternative? Much better.
He did freeze government hiring, and he wants to cut government spending by 20%. He appears to be serious. There is no reason why he wouldn't want to cut spending, he has one reelection coming up as President, and then his career in politics is over, what's he going to do afterwards, run for mayor? He'll be 78 years old! Trump will let his children continue to run his businesses and he'll retire, that way he'll avoid the large inheritance tax he'll pay when he dies, assuming he hasn't eliminated that while he was President. Unlike Obama, Trump doesn't hate America, he doesn't have friends who are Marxists, Domestic Terrorists, or Preachers who curse out America in their sermons.
#365 Re: Not So Free Chat » Politics » 2017-01-25 08:24:51
Here is more of those executive orders....
Trump admin orders EPA media blackout and contract freeze
Restrictions on EPA communications worry environmentalists
So more disbelief of global warming effects....
Sea level rise will disproportionately hit U.S. this century, NOAA warns sea levels will rise by about one foot by the end of this century. In the worst-case scenario, global sea levels will rise by 8.2 feet.
Those Nasa satellites must be lying about the warmest temperatures for 2016 ...
Blue mists over the Great Smoky Mountains visible from space
I won't be around at the end of this century to note a 1 foot rise in the sea levels, I'm sure my grandchildren and great grand children will be able to handle the situation quite well, they will have technologies we don't have, and they will be smart enough not to build houses too close to the ocean. I think by 2100, our ability to reach space will have improved substantially, we will finally be able to build those O'Neill colonies, we'll have advanced robotics and artificial intelligence. I don't think that 1 foot rise in sea levels will prove to be much of a challenge to them.
#366 Re: Terraformation » Landmaking » 2017-01-25 08:18:11
Siberia is mostly there, and there is Antarctica.
#367 Re: Human missions » NASA's Asteroid redirect/retrieval mission; should it be cancelled? » 2017-01-25 08:16:00
Since we have a few SLS built, we might as well do something with them rather than let them rust in a museum. If were going to go with Falcons but we've already built some SLSs, we are not going to get the money we spent in building hem back if we don't use them, so if we don't plan on using it for manned missions, how about using it for a mission to the outer planets, with all that tonnage it can deliver to low Earth orbit, we should be able to get to Saturn quicker, instead of having to rely on gravity assist to get there.
#368 Re: Terraformation » Landmaking » 2017-01-24 21:15:59
Most climate change is slow and takes generations, that would mean generations of technological change before the map of Earth look like this:
I think if we can land on Mars in less than a generation from now, I sure we can also think of better solutions to global warming than the ones we have available now. Just placing something to block sunlight between the Earth and the Sun would do the trick.
#369 Re: Not So Free Chat » Election Meddling » 2017-01-24 21:05:55
Here is the back story to one of those executive orders and its concequences... Abortion Could Be Outlawed in 33 States if Roe v Wade Overturned: Report
"More than 37 million women in 33 states are at risk of living in a state where abortion could become illegal," the group said.
Most Americans don't live in those blue states. In the at risk states, you are insisting that a minority that wants an abortion overrule the majority of citizens in her state, maybe she should just pack up her things get into a car and do road trip to somewhere that she can legally have an abortion, is that so hard? Even criminals get due process before they are executed! So why shouldn't woman have time to think about it while driving to a state where it is legal before she does something as irreversible as kill her baby?
Beyond the risk it now places on woman there is now all those jobs in a medical field that will be lost.. Some jobs creation program.....
Oh I feel so sad for those Abortionists who can't find a job. What about the poor executioner who can't find work in a state where the Death Penalty is illegal?
Here is a slap in the face to those that have lost love ones in fighting for our nations combat arena's... White House gov web site deletes military family support page from official site and has moved it to https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/joiningforces this has to do with Guard and Reserve Family Support Services
Now here is Trump's cahnce to create jobs... Senate Democrats Propose $1 Trillion Infrastructure Plan
Trump often touted the need to repair the country's infrastructure on the campaign trail and has continued to since the election, mentioning it in his inaugural address last week when he pledged to "build new roads and highways and bridges and airports and tunnels and railways all across our wonderful nation."
The Democrats' plan is wide-ranging, including $210 billion for roads and bridges, $180 billion for rail and bus programs and $110 billion for sewer and water. Another $10 billion would go for VA refurbishing and $75 billion for school infrastructure.
Remember the Republicans faught tooth and nail when Obama created these type of working for american efforts to fix bridges that were Red lined....
So here's your chance....
roads can pay for themselves with tolls, more so if privately operated!
#370 Re: Not So Free Chat » Election Meddling » 2017-01-24 20:56:46
If you look at the way Tom errs taking apart the posts of others (not just mine), three things become clear: (1) he sees everything through an extremely-distorted lens of extremist politics, (2) he starts typing before he even finishes reading, much less understanding, what he was reading, and (3) he is extremely defensive of Trump because deep down somewhere he knows the man is unfit to be president.
I go point by point, commenting after I read each paragraph, I didn't feel the last four paragraphs you wrote was worth commenting on, so I didn't. What's wrong with that?
I know Trump is unfit. Bob Gates agrees, and also said so in public. So do many others.
That is only one man's opinion, considering that his opposition had the Democratic Party rigged in her favor, Bernie Sanders didn't stand a chance with those superdelegates, and Trump didn't require superdelegates to win his party's nomination, I would have to say Donald Trump was more qualified than her!
But Trump was a candidate of Tom's favorite party,
I love my country, the Democrats haven't shown much love for their country lately, they have shown a love of power. Obama has shown a love for America's Enemies such as Fidel Castro, the Iranians, ISIS, and Vladimir Putin! The Democrats only flipped on Putin when they said he rigged the election in Trump's favor, and there is no evidence for that. the Democrats did nothing to stop Putin when he invaded Ukraine or Georgia, the Democrats didn't mind Putin then! So please tell me how hacking in the DNC accounts is worse that Russia's invasion of Ukraine!
the GOP that was taken-over hostilely by the tea party/far-right wing extremists long before Trump ever started his run for office. He feels compelled to defend Trump, and win the argument, at any cost. The compulsion comes from the deep-down knowledge that the man is unfit.
That is far from the truth, I wish I were true, but it is not! if the Tea Party had taken over the Republican Party Ted Cruz would now be President instead of Donald Trump!
I see similar unwarranted defenses of Trump from quite a few folks that I know to be tea partiers, not just Tom. Perhaps that is why I still see political "hit pieces" being circulated on the internet by tea party groups, even though the election is over and they won. Overcompensation for shortcomings really reeks, don't it?
I think it is very warranted because Trump has just started, it is the 4th full day of his Presidency, an a lot of you were criticizing him before he as even sworn in. Maybe you should wait until we see some results of his policies before you prejudge him!
Actually, I hope the man succeeds as president.
Attacking him just as he's sworn in as President is hardly the way to do it! I think its a perfectly reasonable position to insist you wait a bit until he actually has a chance to do something as President. I think you are being very unfair!
So does Bob Gates, I heard him say so to Charlie Rose on PBS last night. We don't need any failures in the White House, given the threats we face from Russia, Iran, China, and North Korea.
We don't need to face threats from Russia. Russia hasn't threatened the United States, and you don't really care that he invaded Ukraine! you didn't care when we talked about it earlier in the year.
The general class of Islamic terrorist organizations, as serious as they are, actually pales in comparison to the long term threats posed the other 4 I listed. This is a really bad time to have a beginner learning the ropes in the White House.
But Trump, unlike most we have seen in the last half century, has an awful lot to learn about being president.
Well it seems Obama didn't learn a thing while he was President, he kept on making the same mistakes over and over again. Trump has only had 4 days compared to Obama's 8 years, what do you expect?
That job is not a reality show, "ratings" are irrelevant.
Well then, how come you brought up crowd size during his inauguration?
That job is not being "king",
Is that a strawman argument? Haven't seen Trump wearing any crowns on his head!
he will be heavily constrained in what he can do by the constitution,
Was Obama?
and he clearly doesn't understand that. As president, you must weigh evidence and advice before you decide;
Just like you have? Trump has had 4 days as President, what's your experience?
Trump has zero history of doing that. And he needs to govern for the benefit of all the people, not just his base of political support; in not understanding that, he is not alone. Too many in Congress have the same problem, and it has been causing chaos and gridlock, stuff we don't need.
Well obviously you are using your own "facts" and coming to your own conclusions.
I see a mix in the people Trump has nominated. Some look like they they could do a decent job. Others look like political appointees that could not correctly do the jobs they will hold if God himself came down from Heaven to advise them. He will have to do far better than this to succeed.
GW
I don't care what they look like, so long as they do a good job, and only time will tell, not how they look like.
#371 Re: Terraformation » Landmaking » 2017-01-24 08:06:08
The difference between island and ship is more one of stability, I think. If you design your ocean platform to be stable, even whilst floating - perhaps by having it raised high above waves on submerged pontoons - then you can pretty much treat it as an island.
That is what a platform is, I don't see how you can make that out of cans and bottles floating on the surface. If one wants to make a raft that floats on the surface, its going to pitch and roll. If the cans and bottles are tied together with ropes, you are going to see waves in its surface. If you want an ocean platform that is stable, you are going to have to float it below the rolling surface, and then support the structure on stilts so it can be held above he rolling ocean surface. It has some advantages over traditional ocean front property. If the ocean swells, the houses rise with it rather than getting flooded. It is an answer to global warming as well. If the ice caps melt, ocean platforms simply rise with the ocean, this is a lot cheaper than trying to mitigate global warming, better a blade of grass that bends with the wind than a reed that snaps!
This doesn't matter to floating platform homes. Not saying this will happen, but if it does.
#372 Re: Not So Free Chat » Election Meddling » 2017-01-24 00:01:50
Tom Kalbfus wrote:I don't care about Trump's taxes, since I don't pay them.
Actually a budget counts on the monies to be paid into it via taxation to which he has not been paying along with many others and when they are not the government takes out loans to cover which means the taxes paid in are incremented to pay on this new level of debt, so you are in directly paying each year that these taxes are not paid incurred via a higher tax table for your income.....
The amount Trump paid or did not pay is an infinitesimal amount compared to the size of the US economy. Right now, how he performs as President is more important to me than whatever amount of taxes he paid in the past. I want the United States to succeed, to defeat terrorism, and to grow its economy, and this petty nit picking doesn't accomplish that goal. We won't have another Presidential election for another four years, until that happens, Trump either succeed and America succeeds or both fail!
The FBI head favors a trump presidency so he will drag his heels in so as to not do any digging as its in his favors best interest not to change the tables....
Investigation underway into contacts between Flynn and Russian ambassador The U.S. investigators have been looking into at least one phone call -- in late December -- between Flynn and Russia’s ambassador to the United States, Sergey Kislyak. Flynn is not the only Trump associate being scrutinized.
Do you really want a coup or an impeachment before Trump has actually ever done anything as President?
Here is the other group that he has ostracized Sources say Trump's CIA visit made relations with intel community worse They say the first three rows in front of the president were largely made up of supporters of Mr. Trump’s campaign. An official with knowledge of the make-up of the crowd says that there were about 40 people of those in attendance..
The CIA was doing what Obama wanted because he was President, now Trump is President, so they will follow his orders. It doesn't really matter anymore. "Shoulda, coulda, woulda", its Monday morning quarterbacking
The executive orders for the day; one withdraws the U.S. from the Trans Pacific Partnership (TPP), another reinstates the Mexico City Policy dealing with non-governmental organizations (NGOs) and abortion access, and a third freezes federal workforce hiring. The Federal hiring freeze of which the military was exempted from the hiring freeze.
What was so bad in the TPP according to Trump is an enormous trade deal that send jobs oversea.... But in actuality it aligned the U.S. and 11 nations in the Asia-Pacific region including Japan, Australia, Vietnam, Canada and Mexico under an agreement that would have eliminated thousands of tariffs and streamlined regulations which would have stopped the product dumping for prices under that to which we can make it for....
The other days ACA orders are on the back track as GOP senators offer ACA replacement plan that would let states keep Obamacare
He says that he is for the poeple then why did I not here a peep out of him for the Deep South reeling after deadly tornadoes sweep through
#373 Re: Not So Free Chat » Election Meddling » 2017-01-23 23:48:30
"If the Dems dig in their heels just to get back at Trump for winning the election, that can't be good!" -- Tom, what's good for the goose should be good for the gander.
Are you willing to wreck the United States of America just to make Trump look bad and be a one-term President to satisfy your partisanship? That is called being a Democrat first and an American second!
For 6 years, a republican-dominated House refused to do anything but block all proposals coming from a democrat in the White House; refusing even to do their budget jobs in order to politically obstruct.
So why isn't a little turnabout fair play with the situation reversed, especially since the democrats control nothing?
GW
That won't get any new Democrats elected. The Democratic Party will just wither and die if they are only seen as wreckers. The seeds for the replacement party lie within the Republican Party. Trump's politics are closer to FDR's than anything the Democratic Party currently offers. Trump is the Moderate Left, Ted Cruz is the right wing of the Republican Party. Without competition from the deceased Democratic Party, the Republican Party will eventually split in two and form two new parties.
PS -- this notion floated over the weekend of "alternate facts" is utter bullshit. You are entitled to your own opinions. You are not entitled to your own facts.
That is a polite way of saying CNN was spreading lies!
No amount of lying by propaganda queen Conway can distract me (or any other person who values fact) from the truth of aerial photography. Trump is as fact-challenged in his claims about record-setting crowds at his inauguration as he has been in most of his speeches and all of his tweets. Which have been quite near 100% wrong since his campaign started. I see no changes in his behavior or his lies since being sworn in.
And this is important because?
As a result I recommend: listen not to anything he or his staff say. Watch only what they actually do. He and his staff are as bad as, or worse than, any lying politicians I have ever seen. And I've seen a lot of them over the last 6 decades..
And don't call me a democrat or a liberal. I am not either. Nor am I a republican or a conservative. I am independent.
Well you talk like a Democrat, a true independent wouldn't prejudge Trump the way you have, or care about the Democrats getting back at Trump because they lost the election. A true independent would care only about the country and not about which party or politicians are in power, but you seem to care Bet you wouldn't if Trump ran as a Democrat, you would probably ignore any of his indiscretions such as hi locker room talk in 2006 as well. My problem with CNN is they seem more interesting in participating in the political process than in reporting on it!
The ideologies of both parties are really bad public policy, because both are based on belief systems, not facts. But since the sharp rightward shift of the "Reagan Revolution", the republicans have been more egregiously evil about it. As I often have said: extremism is evil, whether in politics or religion. Both ultimately lead to the same violent bloody repression. As they always have, all through recorded history.
Did you like the Soviets? Jimmy Carter was a loser who blamed Americans for his inability to defend the United States.
BTW, Reagan himself would be labeled a RINO by his own party, if any of them looked at facts not belief systems. He started out as a labor organizer and a member of the democratic party. Changed later. RINO Trump also started out as a democrat.
You know smart people learn and change their opinions as evidence comes in.
#374 Re: Human missions » NASA's Asteroid redirect/retrieval mission; should it be cancelled? » 2017-01-23 23:26:49
The only thing I can state at this point in time--the asteroid retrieval mission strikes me more as a "make-workee" program in order to justify the enormously expensive SLS. This smacks of a Bush-II Constellation project technology rescue mission. I don't have any enthusiasm for it, and it's burning through lots of scarce NASA cash. The SLS should be utilized a couple times for a Apollo 8 Redux, and then quietly retired.
There really isn't much of a scientific payback for asteroid retrieval.
Why would you want such a massive orbiter around the Moon? How about a Titan orbiter and rover? SLS is a massive Saturn V type rocket, how about using it to explore the outer planets?
#375 Re: Interplanetary transportation » Mars Colonial Transporter » 2017-01-23 10:28:46
I notice its easier to get to Venus, Mars, Phobos, and Deimos than our own Moon. (Assuming the planets are lined up right) The Moon doesn't have an atmosphere to brake off of. It should be easier to drop off supplies on Mars if you do it ahead of time. Venus is easier to get to than Mars, but not easier to get from! So long as your mission to Venus is one-way, that works out fine.