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It takes about three years to build an ET. IIRC the last one is in production now.
The next tank isn't available until April 10, too late for the original March 15 launch date.
And the ET was supposedly the cheapest part of the whole shuttle transportation system. You'd think they'd be smart enough to keep a spare, rather than do this just in time manufacturing system. In all the years NASA has operated, have they never encountered a hailstorm before?. Maybe the launch site ought to be relocated to Hawaii, where the weather isn't so variable or unpredictable as it is in Florida. I think a site on the equator should be obtained, hurricanes and icey whether don't occur there. Florida just isn't far enough south. I can't tell you how many times Floridian weather has delayed a shuttle launch. Maybe that reduces its value as a launch site.
All for 23 billion per person, now if that was a more realistic 23 million for the elite or even as low as 23 thousand for the common person then the journey could start today.
If each one of those colonists had 657,142 Artificially Intelligent Robots working for him, then this should be pulled off easily. The main stumbling block is building a mass producable robot that is as intelligent and as dexterous as a human, that way each person on Earth would be the equivalent of a CEO of a major corporation and have the resources of 657,142 artificial beings working for him, then he ought to be able to get himself to Mars quite easily. In one hundred years, if everyone had 657,142 robots working for him, then travel to and from Mars ought to be quite routine. I wonder though what 3.9 x 10^15 robots would do to the environment of the Earth? Presumably the 657,142 robots would stay on Earth to manage the launch systems while their masters travel to and from Mars. I doubt the humans would actually need to work once they get there, after all that's what robots are for, and more robots can obviously be built on Mars. I'm assuming of course that each robot requires $35,000 in annual resources to keep it going.
http://www.space.com/news/050921_senate_soyuz.html
*We went from the glorious Saturn V to THIS?
We've been reduced to buying other nations' ships??
"And I shall write 'Ichabod' above the temple doorway, for the glory has departed." -- Some Old Testament prophet, paraphrased.
(Yeah, even if I am an agnostic; it's a suitable quote for how I'm feeling)
Search isn't yielding this up as previously posted...sorry if a repeat (not intentional).
--Cindy
Why would someone write 'Ichabod' above the temple doorway? I keep on thinking about the Legend of Sleepy Hollow by Washington Irving.
Maybe they should get another external tank, they're supposed to de disposable aren't they? Theu burn up in the atmosphere and NASA has to keep making more. Why don't they just use the external tank for the next mission rather than this one?
Why are we building a space station with a country that threatened to nuke Poland and the Czech Republic anyway?
It is interesting that you used the Berlin Wall analogy. What did it mean for the two Germanies when the Berlin Wall came down? Basically they eliminated that border, and one of the Germanies, a creation of Joseph Stalin, was absorbed into the other, and no one been guarding that imaginary border since. Now RobertDyck, you really have to ask yourself, do you really want the US/Canada Border to "disappear" like the one between East and West Germany? Wouldn't bother me in the least to be honest about it, but how would other Canadians feel about that? An international border means that the countries involved get to control it and regulate what and who passes through. If you don't like there to be an international border there, then fine remove it, but then someone's going to have to write a new Constitution to reflect this new geopolitical reality.
Protectionism protects producers, it doesn't do a thing for consumers, it just makes the things they buy more expensive. Producers are generally more organized than consumers, as the former is motivated to preserve their jobs, while the later is onloy motivated to save a few bucks. Politicians are often influenced more by producers than consumers. Producers by the way includes both the management and the labor unions. I think the labor unions would be more protectionist than the management as the later is always open to outsourcing into other countries where the labor is cheaper, profit can always be made in America or in some foreign country, it doesn't matter to the investors.
It is funny that you say, "1) American lumber companies want to eliminate competition." Is that something specific to only American lumber companies? I was wondering why you added that qualifier "American" rather than just saying, "Lumber companies want to reduce competition." I was wondering about that tendency of your to attribute negative qualities towards Americans specifically, as if it is only Americans that get greedy or want to protect their jobs. The truth is, if the Canadian companies were in America they would want the same thing American's do, namely reduced competition so they could earn more profits. The profit motive is universal regardless of one's nationality. Gasoline is more expensive in Canada for instance. What's wrong with a gasoline tanker truck, driving into Canada and selling gasoline to cars for a dollar less than a nearby Canadian gas station? Isn't that free market competition too. Canada has large oil reserves and it seems in spite of that gasoline in Canada is more expensive than it is in the USA, sounds to me that some people in Canada don't want the competition from people who pay lower gasoline taxes and therefore have a compedative advantage over Canadian gasoline stations. Yeah, why don't you go buy gasoline right out of a tanker truck with US license plates. Maybe he can't legally sell this gasoline to you in Canada, buy hey why should free commerce be impeded by regulation?
One thing I don't like about the left wing is their tendency to regulate every aspect of life, they tax and regulate everything they can get away with. Why for instance do police officers issue speeding tickets? Isn't getting killed enough deterrence? Why should people be more afrain of paying a fine and getting points off their driver's license than of getting killed on the highway. Some people want to regulate the use of electronic devices while crossing a street, they want to force your daughters to get innoculated for venerial disease when she is nine years old, the assumption being that all women will grow up to be prostitutes or loose women.
Probably a long time, it could be done within one million years, maybe less time. Optimistically it could take one thousand years. I think the easiest things to leverage would be oort cloud comets followed by Kuiper belt comets. If you change massive cometary bodies slightly, they would fall toward the Sun, and if you aim them right and anticipate where Venus is going to be, you might arrange for thousands and thousands of comets to approach Venus and swing in front of Venus all at once. Most of the time spent will be in waiting for the comets to fall in toward the Sun, by carefully arranging the velocities of each of these objects, they'll all converge on Venus within a short space of time, but it can take thousands of years to move each cometary body. You can leverage resources and energy with time. If we bent our resources to it, we could probably send a spacecraft out to the Kuiper belt and stop a cometary body in its orbit. The further out the comet is, the easier it is to do, but it takes a long time to get there, it takes a long time for the comet to fall to the Sun, and getting its trajectory just right means anticipating the positions of all the planets tousands of years in advance.
So one by one we change the orbital velocities of thousands of comets, it will seem like a wasted effort by those people who do that. And then thousands of years hences a swarm of comets will converge on Venus, there paths will converge, and thousands and thousands of massive comets fall towards Venus with their long cometary tails, some will impact with the planet while most will miss. The comets travel in front of the planet in the direction of the planets rotation, tidal forces caused by the debris will cause the planet to rotate a little faster with the passing of each comet, and the comets will make close passes to the planet for centuries on end, and afterwards the comets will head out of the Solar System, probably better if they were at escape velocity, as otherwise the comets would head back into the Solar System thousands of years later and threaten Earth. If one stood out at night in that particular era, one would see a spectacular sight, a continuous stream of comets heading in and out of the Solar System, for centuries this would happen. Venus would slowly move outwards from the Sun, widening its orbit and sinning faster, until it appeared just inside Earth orbit by a few million kilometers. Probably by this time enough comets will have impacted with Venus so as to give it sizable oceans, and on its way outwards, life will have been established on the planets surface and oceans. With the increased spin, Venus will have developed a magnetic field, also in the process we can add a tilt to the planet so that it has seasons. This kind of effort would require a civilizational commitment for a very long time.
The thing about Venus is that even if you could live there, the trip would be one-way, its gravity is nearly equal to Earth, so the cost of getting off of it would be nearly the same as getting off Earth. So any astronauts you send to live in the Areostats floating in Venus would be there for the rest of their lives unless rocket technology improves tremendously. If your going to have a manned presence around Venus, they might as well be in orbit, and they can control remote probes on the Surface and in the atmosphere. Venus is a waste or real estate unfortunately. Something may be done about it, but it would take a long time.
The problem with Veus is that its too close to the Sun. I recently read an article about a proposed gravity tug to divert an asteroid from hitting the Earth in 2030-something. A gravity tug would work on Venus also. The same mechanism used which dragged those extrasolar gas giants toward their stars might also be used to drag Venus away artificially. If you have a massive commet or asteroid make a close pass in front of Venus, the gravity will bend the path of that object toward Venus and pull Venus towards it. There would also be a tidal effect involved as the asteroid would pull on the nearest part of Venus more than more distant parts. It might be a good idea to park a number of massive asteroids in Orbit around Venus. The tidal effects would lower the asteroids in their orbits and also speed up Venus's rotation. The same effect might also be had by flinging the same asteroids and comets at Venus or extracting comets from the Kuiper belt and flinging them at Venus to be deflected in front of the planet by that planet's gravity. I think increasing the distance from the Sun to 140,000,000 km would be enough. The minimum distance of Earth is 147,085,800. We don't want the two planets getting too close!
I'm not too familiar with the timber industry, but some questions have to be asked:
What if an American company is tree farming, that is replacing the trees that it harvests and preserving the forests that it harvests from by removing only some of the more mature trees, and across the border there is a Canadian company that is clear cutting forests from a government owned forest at much less cost and leaving nothing but bare ground and soil erosion behind? Now the less environmentally friendly timber company complains about the tariffs that protect the more environmentally friendly lumber company and calls it protectionism. The American company says, without those tariffs the couldn't compete with that canadian company that is clear cutting its forests and wrecking environmental devastation. Since Canada has a lot of forests to clear cut, they have an economic advantage of over the company that is trying to preserve the environment as it harvests lumber, as it costs more to preserve the forest while extracting wood from it, than to cut the whole thing down.
An environmental regulation to prevent Canadian companies to force American lumber companies into the same sort of environmentally destructive timber harvesting practices in order to stay in business, is similar to tariffs on companies that use child laborers in factories. Now the question is, is it environmental regulation or protectionism.
If we dropped all tariffs and the Canadians started clear-cutting their forests, we'd have to do the same with our forests in order to stay in business, but maybe we don't want to clear cut our forests, because if we do that there'd be nothing left for future generations, so therefore, we'd want to protect companies that spend more to protect the environment so that they stay in business. We don't wantcompetition to dirve us into destructive practices do we? The same could be said of power generation. Some very cheap power plants can be made that don't use scrubbers and burn high sulfer coal, and thus export cheap electricity across the border. If that export goes unregulated, other power companies would be forced to build cheap environmentally unfriendly power generation stations to stay in business.
So how do you know the difference between Americans trying to protect their environment and Americans trying to preserve their jobs through protectionism, the tools we use are the same for both? How do we know that the American Labor Union leader standing next to Smoky the Bear and saying that we must preserve our environment from ruthless canadian compedators that clear cut their forests, is being honest about his true motives. The fact of the matter is, its very hard to tell what is being done in the name of the environment and what is being to to save American jobs in certain industries.
Also further north, the trees grow slower due to the shorter growing season. Protectionism might actually be protecting Canadian forests more, since the Canadian lumber companies may or may not be concerned about how fast the harvested lumber will replace themselves since there is plenty of forest to extract from.
Also the wall or border fortifications between Canada and the US are Hardly a "Berlin Wall", there aren't many Americans trying to escape from America to get into Canada and we aren't trying to stop them unless of course they are criminals trying to escape justice. Its also funny that we have people in the United States that say George Bush is soft on guarding the border while we have people like you saying he guards it too much. So which is it, it can't be both? We have 20 million illegal aliens running around in the United States and the INS is not doing much about it. I'd say the Bush Administration is actually being very permissive, and there are those border patroll agents who were arrested for shooting a Mexican drug smuggler who crossed the border from Mexico, the border Patrol agents say they were only defending themselves and thought he had a gun, they asked not to be put in general population with other illegal alien inmates, but they were anyway and were beaten up.
So George Bush has one group of critics that say he is lax on border security and another group of critics that say he is too harsh, now how is he supposed to satisfy both groups at once? I don't think its possible. So no matter what he does, he's going to receive criticism form either you or somebody else.
Your enemy is not the Arab world, your enemy is not "terrorism", your enemy is only the organization that attacked on September 11, 2001, causing the death of over 3,000 Americans and destroying the World Trade Towers and damaging the Pentagon.
Are you equating the Arab World with terrorism? I would like very much for the Arab world to reject terrorism totally, and without exception. They always say the Islam is a peaceful religion, so why don't they prove it, and stop objecting to us fighting terrorism. Don't they realize that Islamic terrorists drag there religion's reputation through the mud, and they leave an impression that Islam is a Terrorist Religion, and the majority of Muslims do nothing to fight that impression, and when they object to Americans and Israelis fighting terrorism, they leave the impression that they are on the side of terrorism, they should be on the fore front of the war on terrorism, not on the back benches. All the terrorists do to us is kill us, what they do to Islam is even worse, they give the impression to nonmuslims that Islam is an evil religion. If they don't like that reputation of Islam as the Terrorist Religion, they should dispell that notion by fighting it without exception.
As for the second part, yes indeed terrorism is my enemy, I would like to see it all abolished. I don't approve of bombing abortion clinics, I don't approve of the IRA, I don't approve of the PLO, or Hezbollah, or Iran, or anyone else who supports terrorism without exception. There are no good terrorists, there are no terrorists who are my friends, and lets not change the mean of terrorism or quibble about its definition, I know what it is, so don't try to obfuscate the issue by being vague about the definition. Terrorism is a tool of the weak against the strong, its not my fault they are weak, nor is it the fault of any of their victims. The objective of the strong is to wipe out terrorism and make it very dangerous to support a terrorist. We should hunt down the terrorists without mercy, and make terrorism a counter productive too that only brings devastation and retaliatory destruction down on their heads. There should be no negotiation with terrorists or their supporters, the objective should be simply to eliminate them.
I am in a rare position for a Canadian; I was an immigrant living in the United States during the campaign for the year 2000 Presidential election. The lady I dated at the time tried to get me involved in the presidential election rather than Canadian politics because she wanted me to stay in the U.S. with her. I looked at the presidential candidates at the time, not as an outsider but as a U.S. resident evaluating who I want to run the country I live in. I had to tell her I couldn't because the only competent candidate just dropped out. Senator John McCain may have some views I disagree with, but he's competent. I felt all the other candidates were not competent. I don't have an opinion of John Kerry because I didn't live in the U.S. during the 2004 election. I keep stressing that an outsider should not meddle in a country's internal politics, that means I shouldn't meddle in U.S. politics either. Canada is in a unique position in this regard because the U.S. has so much influence over Canada, consequently most Canadians feel they have a right to an opinion over U.S. politics; however I was a resident of the U.S. during the year 2000 presidential election. Voters in the U.S. didn't know what George W. was really like in year 2000, he kept claiming he could be bipartisan and get congressmen of both parties working together. Sounds nice but reality has been the greatest polarization in remembered U.S. history.
How do you know the Democrats weren't just trying to get revenge for the impeachment of Bill Clinton, and George Bush just happened to be tha handy Republican target at the time? Its also not George Bush's fault that the voting was so close in 2000, George Bush was doing everything he could to get the election decided in his favor as were the Democrats doing to get it decided in their favor. I'm sure if George Bush had a choice, he would have been elected by a more comfortable unassailable magin, but he wasn't, so the Democrats begin the exercise of blaming George Bush for the circumstances he couldn't control. Just like in a trial, each side uses every advantage the law allows, everybody is self-interested. Where the Democrats go overboard is in their demonization of George Bush, they do everything they can to thwart George Bush, even if that hurts the United States, they want the US to lose the War in Iraq because of that, not because there is anything in particular about the war, but because it is George Bush's War and in that they want him to fail. So why can't you just be honest about that, instead of making up bogus excuses about why the war is wrong? Do you really care that much about Saddam Hussein?
Although U.S. voters can say they didn't know what he was really like in year 2000, they knew in 2004; there's no excuse for re-electing him.
Why what did he do in that time? if he was Robert Dole, you'd have the same problem with him because he is a Republican and you'd want revenge for what happened to Bill Clinton, or for him not ceding the results to Al Gore simply because he is the Democrat in the race, and the election results were close. if it was any Republican you could name, the Democrats would still want revenge, and he would fall within the crosshairs of the Democratic Party, its all about who wins, and that's all they care about. The Country is just the backdrop for the struggle between two Parties, and they want their party to Win and the Republicans to lose, and that's what its all about in their minds.
I have several specific complaints about George W. Bush:
• he mishandled the economy. I worked for Canadian company in 2001 that sold primarily to American companies. Our customers dried up because the American economy tanked in February 2001. That's before 9/11, immediately after George W's swearing in.
My point exactly, what could George Bush have done in one month that could have caused the economy to tank so quickly? George Bush can't raise taxes by himself, and he didn't. Actually it was less than one month as George Bush only became President on January 20th, so there was 11 days between his inauguration and February, I don't think the economy has ever been so responsive to any single leader of the United States. Most of the things we measure in the economy are lagging indicators. most of the statistics collected in February would have been for January, and for most of January Bill Clinton was President.
• mishandled 9/11. The enemy is al Qaeda, not some nebulous "war on terrorism".
So you are saying there are some terrorists, you think the US ought to be friends with? Do you think terrorists might make valuable allies perhaps? Perhaps they would be great help in fighting the Mafia for instance. Terrorists are restrained by miranda rights, they can just kill people that the Government wants eliminated, is that what your thinking of?
Taliban said they would hand over al Qaeda, but demanded proof that they're guilty. George W. showed the proof to everyone but Taliban, and invaded Afghanistan.
You can always adjust your standard of proof high enough so it can't be proved according to those standards. How do you know aliens didn't replicate those 19 people down to the molecular level and then program them to fly those airplanes into buildings. No way could the US government prove that did not happen, so by someone's definition of "reasonable doubt" that could simply be an excuse not to hand over the terrorists. Also didn't the Taliban use terrorism against Afghan women, murdering them in fact if they showed too much skin or attended school or held certain jobs. I guess you are blind to injustice, and unsympathetic to someone bringing justice to some places if the motivations are wrong. If someone gives away money to the poor because he thinks the act will make him rich, you'd want him to stop right away and take back the money, because he acted with misguided motivations and his generosity was not heart felt, for example.
Would they have refused to hand over al Qaeda anyway? We'll never know, but his actions pissed-off the entire Arab world.
Why should it? Islam is a peaceful religion, I can't conceive of any peaceful religion having any sympathy for terrorists or any objection to anybody fighting this evil.
• invasion of Iraq. Iraq was an enemy of al Qaeda, why would you attack the enemy of your enemy?
Simplistic reasoning. Why indeed should we have attacked Nazi Germany, since it was fighting communism, and that Ideology threatend to overthrow Capitalism and spread revolution to the west, the enemy of our enemy indeed. Just because two people are you enemy, doesn't mean that they are friends with each other, the same applies for nations. I don't give a squat for Shiites or Sunnis, they may be enemies of each other, but both have taken turns supporting terrorism against Americans, so I don't see the enemy of my enemy necessarily being my friend, their divisions are simply a weakness that can be exploited due to their advertion to working together. I don't understand the origin of their centuries old conflict either, it all seems to be about some trivia that happened long ago, and that serves as excuses for the leaders of one faction to gain power at the expense of another.
Al Qaeda couldn't possibly hope to posses the type of military resources the U.S. used to attack Iraq; George W. effective acted as al Qaeda's ally. Iraq did not harbour any terrorists before the invasion, they do now.
Thinly veiled excuses for opposing George Bush and rationalizations for opposing the War, I'm sure if it was Bill Clinton's baby, you wouldn't have a problem with it.
I admire alot about liberal goal, but lately they have been George Bush "Attack Happy". I would appreciate national health care, but not at the price of my country losing a War. Liberals don't realize how much of their important agenda they undermine by being George Bus attack Happy and anti-American. I am not one of the haves, in fact I am a "have not", but I am a patriotic American citizen, and I want my country to win its Wars no matter who's President. The liberals have lost me with all there America bashing and anti-Bush monomania, its not all about the power and who has it, its about what positive things they can do for the country, not in what ways they can sabotage the country to make George Bush look bad. I'd like to see more solutions coming from the Democrats and less National sabotage. If they have a better way to fight terrorists, lets hear it; if they don't, then I don't have a reason to vote for them. If they can't solve the nation's problems and can only criticise what's wrong then there is no reason for me to vote for them. At least the Republicans are trying to win and looking for ways to solve problems. The Democrats are simply looking for problems and they say that is sufficient reason for me to vote for them instead of the Republicans, I say it is not.
I can easily say, "We have not won the War in Iraq, so vote for me." I can say, "fighting the terrorists only makes them stronger, so I say don't fight the terrorists, and if elected I will not, so vote for me."
That's all the democrats do, they promise not to do something, and they figure not doing something is a job well done, well I disagree.
• wasting $80 billion on ballistic missile defence. Who is the enemy it's supposed to defend against?
"The enemy who has just launched nuclear missiles at us. Quick, we have 30 minutes to develop the missile defense to intercept those warhead right now!"
If someone went up to the Navy Department in 1920 and said, "We need to build better defenses for Pearl Harbor, because on December 7, 1941, the Japanese are going to launch a surprise attack at 9 a.m. that Sunday morning, you have 20 years to get prepared, so you'd better get cracking." Is that guy going to be believed? If that guy could correctly foretell the future and correctly identify they enemy that is going to attack, would it have done any good in convincing the top brass? Likewise, if I were to correctly identify the enemy who was going to attack with nuclear missiles 20 years in the future, would it do any good in my argument with you? I think not.
If in 1920 somebody suggested that the US Army develop a new tank, and some General asked, "But who are we going to attack with it? ... You mean you don't know? Well if you can't identify the enemy we're going to face, then I can see no reason to spend the money to build a tank."
It's way to small to defend against Russia, and tests showed it only works 1/3 of the time.
And no amount of R&D is ever going to improve its performance, so the whole thing is one giant waste of money!
The V2 rocket was a waste of money, it could never reach the moon, it couldn't even reach orbit, I don't know why the United States spent so much time and money studying them, surely we'd have nothing to learn from them that would be any use in the space race. Do you get the drift.
Do you expect the US government to whip something up that is the perfect defense for any amount of money? Those expectations you have are unrealistic, so any amount of money spend by the Defense Department for any reason is a waste of money for that reason. Those are seld-defeating arguments you are using.
The 10 missiles could defend against 3 incoming missiles. The only potential enemy on the Pacific that has or could acquire in the near future ICBMs is North Korea. China has 12 ICBMs, each with one nuclear warhead, so George W. spent more money for 10 additional defence missiles in Alaska and 20 in California, bringing the total to 40. That means it can now defend against both North Korea and China. That price is higher than a manned mission to Mars, is it worth it? Is an attack from either country isn't likely? I don't think so.
You're in no position to predict the future. I'd think Id rather have a missile defense than your reassurances that those two countries are not going to attack.
The first fighter planes could barely fly, and were hardly very effective in destroying targets on the ground, waste of money eh? That money would have been better spent building an F16 right off the bat, that way we could save money developing all those intermediate stages toward the F16 which weren't as effective as an F16 fighter. Same argument you use for missile defense.
• threatening to invade Iran and North Korea
Who threatened to invade Iran and North Korea?
I don't think anyone threatened to invade either country. Besides if we did threaten, we'd lose our element of surprise if and when the time actually came to invade Iran or North Korea. We don't want the Iranian Army just sitting their waiting for our soldiers to come, do we?
• refusing NATO's offer of help, pissing-off France and Germany
I don't ever recall France or Germany ever offering to help us invade Iran or North Korea
• the Patriot Act
What's the matter? Don't you believe in Patriotism?
• torturing prisoners at Guantánamo and Abu Grebe
"Oh no! Don't flush that Koran down the Toilet! Oh please, anything but that!"
• building a "Berlin Wall" on the Canada/U.S. border
There is no wall between the US and Canada.
• requiring passports to cross the Canada/U.S. border
Give us a reason not to require identification from Canadians and nonCanadians crossing the border into the US. If you cross the border and say your an American Citizen and you proceed into the voting booth to Vote for President, we can't just take your word for it. You might as well say its unfair to require identification before purchasing an alchoholic drink.
• challenging Canada's sovereignty over the Canadian arctic
Ok, name a piece of Canadian territory that the US currently occupies.
• refusing to comply with the NAFTA dispute resolution board decision regarding softwood lumber
Can't comment on something I know little about, but I know your just looking for something to complain about rather than a resolution to this problem, so I can't really say whether I trust you as an unbiased source of information. You obviously want to have something to complain about the US for. I on the other hand have no problem with Canada except for people like you who are always looking for something the US has done to complain about.
• blaming Canada for mad-cow disease, closing the border to beef
Hardly matters whether Canada is to blame or not, if Cattle move freely across the border, then the disease will spread more freely, its a simply physical fact, and borders are natural places to stop diseases from spreading. Preventing the spread of diseases is hardly about assigning guilt or blame, its about stopping the disease period!
Tom, your obsession over invasion and military force, your obsession over one single national leader with authority over the military and using that military as his basis of power, tells me you really don't want to live in a democracy. You would be happier living in a military dictatorship.
Seems its more your obsession than mine, I just want my country to win, and I know a Congress is hardly an inspiring leadership for winning a war, and indeed winning a War doesn't seem to be their intention either. I want the War to end, I certainly don't want it to go on forever, but I haven't given up all hope of victory like the Democrats have so easily done. I have not given up all hope of victory so much that I want to sabotage all remaining chances of victory like the democrats are trying to do. In fact if the main complaint is the War's length rather than its casuality count, I would think adding more troops would be more likely to shorten the war than not adding troops, unless the Democrats think that the only way for the War to end is by the US losing it. I'm sorry, I'm not so down on the US as you Liberals are.
Terrorists are your enemy too. The question is whether or not you're going to contribute to your own defense. Do you think the typicall Arab terrorist can tell the difference between a Canadian and a US citizen? To somebody who doesn't speak English or speak English very well, it is very hard to tell the Difference between a US Citizen and a Canadian.
We are talking about defending Western Civilization here, and Canada is a part of Western Civilization. Do you cherish your rights to freedom of speech, and freedom of religion? Well Al Qaeda is at war with those freedoms everywhere, not just in the United States. The liberals have a "Get Bush" mentality lately, and they seem to rank everything in the field of politics based on the negative consequences it does to Bush and nothing else matter to them. Liberals in my country and liberals in yours all determine their policy over whether it does damage to the Bush Administration, so they won't support anything the Bush Administration supports simply because it is the Bush Administration. If the Bush Administration wanted to give $100 billion to Canada with no strings attached, there'd be protests in the streets of Ottawa simply because the Bush Administration will be seen as behind it. The liberal media has started a Bush demonization campaign that has taken on a life of its own, there was even a movie that was started in Canada that features a Bush Assassination and a US Government over reaction to it, and naturally the guy caught was innocent while the real culprit escaped. Sounds to me like a prejudicial film.
I'll bet you, alot of people who say they hate Bush don't even know why they do. George Bush is probably the most reviled President in US history all because of the left-wing near monopoly in the media, while their are some people who should be reviled, that go unnoticed, because all the attention is artificially focused on George Bush by the Left-Wing Media. I'm not sure how the left-wing got their monopoly, but I think it started in the Universities. Those hippie war protestors in the 1960s and 1970s stuck around the college campuses and became professors, maybe the KGB had a hand in it, I'm sure they took over a number of colleges judging by some of the rhetoric that comes out of them. I think these left-wing professors took over the journalism schools and made sure no conservatives became college proffessors in Journalism, and they then proceeded to brainwash college students, who then became reporters for newspapers, and news programs and editorialists, and together as they came of age, they presented a biased picture of the Bush administration, emphasising negative news over positive to a greater degree with the Republicans over Democrats, and they spread an anti-American opinion through aout the World to give the Bush administration further trouble. It was largely the left-wing news media that was responsible for the Democratic landslide in Congress, as they took a mediocre war, and made it seem as the worst military disaster in US history, and it is not. 3,100 US casualities over 6 years is not even close, but the media shunned direct comparisons with World War II or the Civil War, as that would shatter the illusion they were trying to present, they focused on its length exclusively, they tried to emphasize the "longness" of the War and why the War was taking so long, as if all wars are supposed to be the "smash and grab" variety that are over in an afternoon. You know we can't always adhere to the "Grenada standard", that is just send in the Marines, kick in the doors and the regime collapses. Sometimes the Enemy is a little tougher, and victory requires patience. The Cold War required patience, and so does this one.
Given the mess we're in and the sacrifices we've made, I expect some thanks from the US government.
When your government thanks us for all our sacrifices in Iraq. Liberals in the West like to pretend that its two wars when its actually one. Say were chasing some terrorists and he crosses the border into Iraq. The liberals would say, "No we can't follow him, because that's the Iraq War, not the War on terrorism, so therefore Congress would tie our hands so we could not go after them.
Canada is a big boy, if it sends troops somewhere, that's because its in its best interest. Canadians have made sacrifices, and so have American troops, troops that have rarely received praise for their sacrifices. No, the press wants to make them all out like they were bullies that enjoy torturing people, that we go around flushing Korans down toilets, and that it is cruel and inhuman to do so. Oh and when someone shoots at us from a mosque, were not suppose to fire back lest we damage some sacred building, so our soldiers are then supposed to take bullets without firing back and we fail to do so, we're called occupiers.
So George Bush has failed to mention Canada, with all the bad blood that has gone on between our two countries, are you so surprised? The US Government views the War on Terror as one war, we don't seperate into quadrants and say there is one war here and another war there, the same terrorists move from place to place, so why shouldn't we?
If someone gut punches us and then helps us back up afterwards, we may forget to say thank you every once in a while. It is a minor thing, why do you want to make a tempest in a teapot? Our soldiers do what they do because it needs doing, we don't do it for praise from the World Community, we do it for our own security. There are bad guys out there that need to be eliminated, whether we receive praise for it or condemnation.
[url=http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/world/story/3882575p-4490081c.html]Bush calls for all-out effort to defeat Taliban
Doesn't mention current Canadian, Dutch roles[/url]WASHINGTON -- President George W. Bush called for an all-out allied effort Thursday to defeat the Taliban but angered some in Canada by failing to mention its role in the deadly southern part of Afghanistan.
Bush singled out for praise countries that have recently pledged extra forces or equipment as a spring offensive looms -- countries like Norway, Britain, Poland, Turkey, Denmark, Greece and Iceland.
He didn't talk about Canada or the Netherlands, which already have big commitments in Afghanistan and are fighting in the most dangerous areas.
Hi Robert: Canadian anger in this regard (Netherlands too) is totally understandable. I've been under the impression (could be my fault, as I don't always pay really close attention to politics) that the USA is mostly "going it alone" in Afghanistan. Some of that is doubtless propoganda, too.
It's wrong to not acknowledge everyone (praise), especially in this context!
Long live the land of Hayden Christensen!
Well, he was asking for extra troops and he was praising those countries that provided extra troops. So where's the beef? Someone always has to gripe about something the US is doing, and I get tired of it. Complaint complaint complaint. The United States does alot of things without getting praise for its actions, we're trying to stabilize the middle east, we're trying to fight terrorism, and what do we get for our efforts? Criticism, get called imperialists, and people say we like occupying countries that do nothing but cost us money. People accuse us of making huge profits off of oil due to our involvement in Iraq, those same people accuse us of spending too much on the War. If the War was profitable and we we're plundering the countryside with our occupation, the War would pay for itself, it does not. And we have to suffer through the villiafying and demonizing of our leader, who does not deserve it, we have a biased left-wing press that always reports the war with an agenda of undermining our efforts, so it only reports negative things and suppresses positive news. Very little of what we do has anything to do with the praise we get for it. Canada should stop acting so spoiled, and do what right because it benefits the World, not because they receive praise for it.
No one ever praises us for sparing the lives of so many civilians in the countries that host terrorists that we are fighting. The expectations of us in the Arab World are impossible to meet. Arabs make lousy allies too, as they always change sides, sometimes they cooperate, and sometimes they help the terrorists.
Probably George Bush simply forgot to mention it, that's all. I think he meant to praise those countries that were adding more troops, rather than mention evey country that was maintaining the same level of troops rather than reducing them.
The point is to fight terrorists that threaten us all. By so acting Canadians make their own citizens safer, whether they receive praise form our President should hardly matter at all. Hardly anyone ever praises him for fighting terrorism, he gets very little international recognition for making the World safer, and a whole lot of criticism. People expect impossible things of the United States, they make the rules of engagement so strict that it becomes impossible to fight the enemy, so in effect they are rooting for the terrorists, even as the terrorists try to kill them.
I've heard warnings from various people predicting in 2001 that fighting terrorism was bound to be unpopular, lots of people it seems has their own favorite kinds of terrorists. I think terrorism is the problem and people who support terrorism, for whatever reason, are evil. If we are to fight terrorism, we should fight all terrorism, we should not negotiate with terrorists, we should not provide safe havens for them, we should do nothing but our level best to try to exterminate them until they are completely gone from the world, no matter what the cost.
I wouldn't want the Church of Reverend Moon managing our ports either. The problem with Arabs, is they tend to wear their religions on their sleeves, or over their heads, or on their chins.
[url=http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/world/story/3882575p-4490081c.html]Bush calls for all-out effort to defeat Taliban
Doesn't mention current Canadian, Dutch roles[/url]WASHINGTON -- President George W. Bush called for an all-out allied effort Thursday to defeat the Taliban but angered some in Canada by failing to mention its role in the deadly southern part of Afghanistan.
Bush singled out for praise countries that have recently pledged extra forces or equipment as a spring offensive looms -- countries like Norway, Britain, Poland, Turkey, Denmark, Greece and Iceland.
He didn't talk about Canada or the Netherlands, which already have big commitments in Afghanistan and are fighting in the most dangerous areas.
Well, since Canada already had big commitments in Afghanistan, maybe he decided to ask other countries which were less committend to make further contributions.
Here are the latest doings of those fools in Congress:
Dems Challenge Bush's Power to Wage War
Fri Feb 16, 6:47 AMWASHINGTON - Democrats are challenging President Bush's power to wage war, contending they've found a way to block a troop increase in Iraq and prevent any pre-emptive invasion of Iran. But first Congress will vote on a nonbinding measure stating opposition to Bush's decision to send 21,500 more troops to Iraq.
The House was expected to pass the measure on Friday, with the Senate planning to hold a test vote Saturday.
Democrats say the votes are the first step toward forcing Bush to change course in a war that has killed more than 3,100 U.S. troops and lost favor with voters.
A pittance really, 55 million people died in World War II, yet we fought on to victory, and 3,100 is supposed to be a jaw dropping amount? Is it supposed to undermine the moral of this country and cause us to flee?
"This country needs a dramatic change of course in Iraq and it is the responsibility of this Congress to consummate that change," said Rep. John Murtha, who chairs the House panel that oversees military spending.
Murtha, D-Pa., is preparing legislation that would set strict conditions on combat deployments, including a year rest between combat tours; ultimately, the congressman says, his measure would make it impossible for Bush to maintain his planned deployment of a total of about 160,000 troops for months on end.
It depends on which soldier you are, are you the soldier out in the field in badly need of reinforcements, or are you the soldier out enjoying his vacation? You know what this can do is increase the number of US combat casualities, because those fighting won't be able to receive reinforcements, no matter how dire the circumstances, this piece of legislation seeks to deny the US Combat soldier the full support and backing of the US government when his life is on the line. It is easier for the enemy to kill American soldiers when Congress forces the Administration to send them out in small numbers so that they can more easily be killed.
Murtha's proposal also might block the funding of military operations inside Iran - a measure intended to send a signal to Bush that he will need Congress' blessing if he is planning another war.
So those are the people Jack Murtha really represents, the Islamic Republic of Iran. He wants Iran to get nuclear weapons, hand them out to terrorists, and blow up one of our major cities like New York, and the bloody accusing finger will point right back to Jack Murtha and the accomodating Congress, that allowed this bloodshed. Trying to prevent a short term slaughter of soldiers may lead to a more massive slaughter of civilians further down the road, if he refuses to let the President deploy troops flexibly in preventative wars now, we'll only get the more massive wars later. By taking power away from the President, Congress only confers responsibilty for US security onto themselves. Warfare is the realm of Generals, they have the proper training to fight and win wars, not Congress. IF Congress doesn't allow the generals to do their job, or so restricts their flexibility so that threats to national security cannot be addressed, then we're in big trouble and Congress is to blame.
"The president could veto it, but then he wouldn't have any money," Murtha told an anti-war group in an interview broadcast on movecongress.org.
In an interview Thursday, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., noted that Bush consistently said he supports a diplomatic resolution to differences with Iran "and I take him at his word."
At the same time, she said, "I do believe that Congress should assert itself, though, and make it very clear that there is no previous authority for the president, any president, to go into Iran."
Bush said at a news conference Wednesday he has no doubt the Iranian government is providing armor-piercing weapons to kill American troops in Iraq. But he backed away from claims by senior U.S. military officials in Baghdad that the top echelon of Iran's government was responsible.
Administration critics have accused the president of looking for a pretense to attack Iran, at loggerheads with the United Nations about what Tehran says is a nuclear program aimed at developing energy for peaceful purposes.
In a speech Thursday, Bush said he expects Congress to live up to its promise to support the troops.
"We have a responsibility, Republicans and Democrats have a responsibility to give our troops the resources they need to do their job and the flexibility they need to prevail," Bush said.
In the third day of a House debate on the war, GOP combat veterans spoke out against the Democratic resolution.
"The enemy wants our men and women in uniform to think their Congress doesn't care about them," said Rep. Sam Johnson, R-Texas, who was a prisoner of war during Vietnam. "We must learn from our mistakes. We cannot leave a job undone like we left in Korea, like we left in Vietnam, like we left in Somalia," Johnson said.
Rep. Duncan Hunter of California, the top Republican on the House Armed Services Committee, called the political maneuvering by Democrats "extremely dangerous."
"It could stop reinforcements from arriving in time to stop major casualties in any of a number of scenarios," said Hunter.
Democrats will have to fight critics in the Senate as well.
"I will do everything in my power to ensure the House resolution dies an inglorious death in the Senate," said Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C.
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Associated Press writers Jim Abrams and David Espo contributed to this report.
I often wonder what recourse there could be if Congress elects to commit national suicide on our behalf. Maybe their are sections of this country that don't agree with Congress that the American Republic should die. If the blue states want to exercise their pacifist foreign policy, then maybe as a last resort, they should be allowed to do so seperately as an independent country.
Like traveling to the rest of the Solar System using fusion rockets, Mars too? A helium-3 fusion rocket may get you to Saturn, where there is even more helium-3. A spaceship can dip into the fringes of Saturn's atmosphere and collect more helium-3 without completely slowing down from orbital velocity. With enough passes, sizable amounts of helium-3 could eventually be collected from there. Probably a fusion rocket could maintain orbital velocity so the scooper ship doesn't completely deorbit, and the fusion rocket doesn't have to accelerate that much to do so. Only a small portion of the scooper ship's orbit is in the fringes of the atmosphere, the rocket can accelerate for most of its orbit around Saturn and then decelerate, when its in the fringes of the atmosphere again. With each pass, the scooper ship can collect more helium-3. Collect enough, and it can bring its load back to Earth, and the way to start this process is to obtain helium-3 on the moon, and also have a helium-3 fusion rocket.
The problem is that He3 isn't really that much better than conventional fusion fuels. We've disscussed this a few times before. Sure it has the margianly better specific energy than other fusion fuels, and produces no (or at least very little) neutron radiation, but this isn't enough to off-set it's mind blowing cost. D-D fusion is only margianly more difficult to achive than D-He3, produces only moderate Neutron radiation, and has nearly as good specific energy. But most importantly while He3 will likely cost upwards of tens thousands of dollars per-gram, deutrium can litteraly be bought right now, over the internet, for less than $1/L WITH the tank it came in included.
Thats one of the key advantages of fusion energy, that the fuel is insanely cheap per unit of energy, even if you have to use signifigantly more expensive Tritium (produced by Lithium decay mainly). D-D fusion is truely absurdly cheap in terms of fuel costs. He3 fusion throws these advantages away, for only dubious benifits.
Furthermore, I doubt Lunar He3 mining would be practical even if He3 was a desirable fuel. Instead of trying to recover in in the ppb range from the moon, we would be better of iradiating Lithium and collecting the He3 that would be produced as a decay product (as well as the Tritium, which is a nice bonus). This is bound to be more economical than trying to mine the stuff on the moon.
Have you considered the reactor cost? Reactors become irradiated by all the free neutrons, and that makes the walls of the reactor brittle. If the reactor doesn't last as long, thats going to increase the cost of using Deuterium/Trintium fuel. Also the neutron reaction products can't be captured and directed into a rocket exhaust as they can't be channeled by magnetic fields, this reduces the efficiency of a Deuterium/Trintium rocket as you need more fuel mass, and need to fuse more of it to heat the same amount of reaction mass. I think Helium-3 reactors would be longer lived, and you can spread its fixed cost over a greater abount of fuel fused, so this inpart compensates for Helium-3s higher fuel cost as you have to replace the reactor less often.
Always funny to see people mentioning 911 and Iraq in one breath. Again and again.
Yes, it Democrat strategy to divide the War on Terrorism into quadrants, and then for Congress to speak up and say to our troops, you can go here, but you must provide safe havens for the terrorists here and here so they can recover from your efforts to fight them and recruit more suicide bombers, and we mustn't molest them in Iraq, cause that's a "quagmire".
So how are we supposed to win the War on terrorism of the Democrats keep on pealing off "no go" zones in which we can't fight them? "Oh its a quagmire here and a quagmire there, we can't send our soldiers into these places cause they'll just get bogged down." Sooner or later the the soldiers get stuck in one spot where congress will allow them to operate, they'll be effectively immobile, surrounded by "Quagmire zones", they won't be able to go after the terrorist bases, where the terrorists can plot and train in safety for their next terrorist attack on the United States.
One of these days, we'll see a mushroom cloud rising high over New York City, and that will be the end of the Democratic Party because the public will know that it was the democrats that insisted on allowing the Iranians to have a nuclear bomb and they prevented the Bush Administration from doing something about it, because they wouldn't release the funds due to their overarching "concern" for US Soldier's casualities.
If you don't like 3000 soldier casualities, how about a million civilians instead, that's our choice. You support Congress's tying the President's hands, that is what may just happen. If you don't trust our Generals to know what their doing on the War on Terrorism, go ahead, trust your congressman instead, but on your head be it.
The problem with the Moon's sunlight isn't strength, its that it doesn't shine half the month over much of its surface. Only a hand full of certain mountain tops are continuously lit, and even then only from low in the horizon and only at the summit. If the minerals you are digging for aren't present near these mountains, then getting electricity to them might not be practical. On Mars, you can get power any place you like year-round, albeit less efficiently. Having to basically abandon or close down a Lunar base every week or two for want of power is a serious issue.
The Sunlight is just as intense as if it were received on the equator. The percentage of Lunar real estate is tiny when compared to the entire Lunar Surface, but the moon is huge, in real terms compared to us, alot of sunlight can be received continuously at the Lunar North and South Pole. I don't see any reason for the immediate future, why we'd want to locate a base anywhere else. On the Moon's poles you can get sunlight continuously, just like in space. The Moon also provides a nice well shielded area for astronauts to live, bury the habitat deep enough and it will be well protected from both comic rays and Solar flares. Lunar rock isn't the best shielding material, but if you have enough of it, it will work.
I reject the idea that PGM prospecting and some of the mining can be done efficiently by remote, especially for figuring out which rocks to mine. This is better done by humans, with stereoscopic vision, better dexterity, and having the "analysis" as you go instead of waiting on Earth. Manned "hoppers" powered by domestic LOX and imported Hydrogen or pressurized rovers will visit promising sites, take/test samples, and so on. Much of the actual digging will probably have to be overseen or partially controlled on site too.
PGMs are a sufficient, and probably only, real justification for any sort of Lunar industrial activity. If fusion power ever happens, He3 would only be an extremely expensive "premium" fuel for special applications, and there is enough of it here on Earth for that sort of thing.
Like traveling to the rest of the Solar System using fusion rockets, Mars too? A helium-3 fusion rocket may get you to Saturn, where there is even more helium-3. A spaceship can dip into the fringes of Saturn's atmosphere and collect more helium-3 without completely slowing down from orbital velocity. With enough passes, sizable amounts of helium-3 could eventually be collected from there. Probably a fusion rocket could maintain orbital velocity so the scooper ship doesn't completely deorbit, and the fusion rocket doesn't have to accelerate that much to do so. Only a small portion of the scooper ship's orbit is in the fringes of the atmosphere, the rocket can accelerate for most of its orbit around Saturn and then decelerate, when its in the fringes of the atmosphere again. With each pass, the scooper ship can collect more helium-3. Collect enough, and it can bring its load back to Earth, and the way to start this process is to obtain helium-3 on the moon, and also have a helium-3 fusion rocket.
No kidding. God only knows what "victory" is supposed to look like in Iraq right now. As far as I can tell, the US is actively assisting the installation of an Islamic Theocracy with religious ties to Iran. Why are they doing that?
Funny, I thought that's what the Democrats are doing with all their defeatism, they want the US to pull out so that the Iranians can move in and install their Islamic Theocracy, Now why are they doing that?
But the Iraq mess is nothing compared to the planned attack on Iran. Iraq has merely bankrupted the nation. An attack on Iran has a serious chance of triggering World War III. This is beyond folly. You have to question the sanity of someone who wants that.
Is Iran a superpower? How many nuclear weapons does Iran have? Seems to me that it will be more like World War III if we attack Iran after it gets nuclear weapons than if we attack them to prevent them from getting nuclear weapons.
If Iran doesn't want World War III, perhaps it should consider not supplying weapons to terrorists who are killing US troops, I think that's extremely provocative. Poor Iranians, they have a government that's attacking US troops and it may start World War III, and in a World War III between Iran and the US, its going to be mostly Iranians that die. Now they can either die fighting to over throw their own government and installing an accountable democratic government, or they can die in much greater numbers fighting us in World War III, so which is it going to be, the US doesn't get to decide whether there is going to be a World War III, they do!
And it is all so silly. You don't defeat religious fundamentalists by attacking them with guns and bombs. That just makes them stronger.
You mean they rise up as zombies after we kill them? I didn't know you believed in the undead!
You defeat them with MTV,
Ha ha ha, what a joke!
MTV is supposed to defeat them? That makes fighting for freedom and liberty rather cheap doesn't it? Too bad our founding fathers didn't have MTV, they could have driven off the British with it. How unimaginitve those silly Continentals must have been, they thought they had to shoot the British in order to defeat them.
Desperate Housewives and 137 flavors of liquor. Want better treatment of women? Set up a University with a Women's Studies Department. The patriarchy will wither like flowers in winter.
That just doesn't work. Do you want to be the guy managing the liquor store? Many liquor stores got firebombed in Iraq and Afghanistan. Now if you got someone willing to do this and forfeit his life after the terrorists attack his store and execute him, then you end up with an empty burnt out store front. I tell you what, I'd rather be an soldier with a gun in his hand and an ability to defend himself that an unarmed liquor store owner who may be attacked and murdered while running his business. Theocracy is enforced with a gun, just like Communism was, if you try to do something like spread propaganda or try to undermine the religion the theocracy is based on, they will try to kill you. If they try to kill you, wouldn't you rather be a soldier with a gun in his hand than some hapless civilian? Soldiers can fight back civilians cannot!
That's the really sad thing. The US had already won. Just a few spastic death throes from extremists and Mickie Ds would have started sprouting like mushrooms. Now Bush's mishandling of the situation has brought us to the brink of world war. It is unbelievable how much damage he has done in such a short amount of time.
A world war requires another superpower to fight. The closest thing to another superpower is China, and I don't see China getting involved and fighting on the side of Muslim terrorists, do you?
Maybe, just maybe, Congress can stop us from going over the edge. Let's hope it isn't too late.
Yes, Congress is such a fountain of military genuises, how many of them have graduated from West Point? Do you know the number? Why do you think all are generals are so stupid and all our congressmen are so smart? Just because they're elected, does that make them tactical and military geniuses? Didn't seem to work for Lincoln when he got elected. I don't know the last time Congress leading troops won any of our wars, do you? Should we put each of the Congressment and Senators into general's uniforms and assign them troops to lead into battle, since they are so smart and all our career officers are morons?
I can answer that question myself, our generals are trained to deal with military situations, and they know better than any elected politicians, its up to the President to make sure the Generals leading the troops are good enough to get the job done, give them a decent chance and then if no progress is made to replace them. Congress should fund the troops or not, its not up to them to lead troops or to make military decisions for them, doing that will only get more troops killed. The generals are trained for this, they know better than the elected politicians how not to waste soldiers lives, and they know how to win battles. 3,000 deaths is nothing, if it takes 6 years to equal the casualities in a single day on 9/11, that isn't much for a whole war, why do you keep acting as if it is alot? We're not a small country, we have a population of 300,000,000, now what percentage is 3,000 out of 300,000,000?
I can do the math. In 6 years, we've lost 0.0001% of our population. Our population is growing at a rate that is much faster than that. To act as if 3,000 people over 6 years is a high casuality rate is to presume that our total population is much smaller than it is. Police officers die every year in greater numbers, as do fire fighters. There are more deaths due to smoking and drunken driving than there is due to the Iraq War, and as we have seen, we can lose as many civilian lives in a single day as we did over this entire War. That it took 6 years to exceed the number of casualities in the 9/11 attack really says something. Now whose lives are more valuable, is it the lives of our soldiers or the lives of the civilians that they are supposed to protect?
What if we pull out of Iraq, and the terrorists stage an attack killing 5,000 American civilians originating from Iraq which we abandoned. The soldiers only go where the politicians send them, if they go somewhere where they cannot protect the American people from the next attack, whose fault is that. If Congress prevents the President from doing his job and sending the troops where they are needed to protect the American people, whose fault is that?
Tom: A few of your consecutive posts back, I quit reading when I came to: "... I'd rather have more US soldiers die slowly in a war of attrition ..." Very generous of you, I must say, and I realize you didn't mean "die slowly," but the way you put things sometimes makes you seem like an unfeeling blabbermouth. Sorry, but if you were over there to see the carnage I bet you'd write more sympathetically. Robert's replies, on the other hand, seem more reasoned and intelligently thought out. If I really thought you're relying on Bush and Cheney to "win your war" for you, I wouldn't have bothered to react to your diatribes--but you were kidding, right?
I mean die slowly such as 3,000 deaths over 6 years as opposed to a single day. I don't mean individual soldiers take days to die a slow and agonizing death. In a modern battlefield, if an individual soldier is going to take a long time to die, that gives the medical corps and doctors more time to save him, and more chances that the individual soldier is going to live. I think most soldiers would be willing to suffer some agony for a while if it give the doctors a chance to save them, however if they just get blown apart in an instant, they probably suffered a relatively painless death. I think If I was a soldier, I'd prefer to suffer and live rather than die painlessly.
I think common sense indicates that if wars last a long time casualities will mount, but the rate of casualties for the Iraq War is orders of magnitude less than World War II, or the Civil War, so I don't understand what the liberals are complaining about. The Democrats are harping about the length of the War, because its the only part of it that's worse that World War II, a war which we were willing to endure and win. The liberal media wants to give as bad a picture of the war as they can muster, so they show the casualty figure that yields the highest number, that is over the whole war, they seem not interested in the number of casualities for 2006 as compared to 2005, they don't want to show whether its trending upwards or downwards, but if all the show is the total number of casualities over the entire war, that figure will only go up over time, as people are not resurrected. A little common sense should be applied. If you look at the total casualitie figure for World War II as of 1941 and then look again in 1942, then by gosh you find the total casuality count has gone up over that year, does that mean the War is going badly? Common sense people! I'm not insensitive to the toll the War has taken, but I put it into historical perspective and compare it to other Wars America has fought.
The Iraq War is a relative light-weight in all but length. The reason why we have suffered so few casualities over such a long time is because are armed forces are good. George Bush is attempting to wage a "patient war", I'm sorry so many liberals are impatient and can't wait to lose, but I think George Bush believes that the civilian casuality toll would be lighter if we fought the War "patiently" and did not use excessive deadly force to achieve quick victory. Do you disagree with that analysis? A patient war requires patience, and it seems the Democrats have very little of that, they keep urging George Bush to throw in the towel on this War and give up, because this war was not won quickly. I think rather they did not want this war to be won at all, and its length is merely the latest excuse they have to call for a pull out. I believe the Liberals have given up on all their liberal principles in calling for a withdrawal.
Think about it for a moment, who is the enemy exactly? Does this enemy believe in women's rights for example? Do they believe in a secular democracy? are there any of the liberal values that Al Qaeda or the Taliban stand for that makes the Democrats desire for them to win and beat the US army, or is it all an over blown personal vendetta against Bush. How many women are going to suffer in the middle east if the US loses because the Democrats forced us to withdraw? What about Arab democracy, will the democrats have made the middle-east safe for theocracies and dictatorship by forcing the US to withdraw. Do the Democrats even deserve to be called Democrats after some of the cozy up to Fidel Castro, or Hugo Chavez, what part of democratic principles do they expouze for these countries? The Democrats sent Elian Gonzoles back to Cuba to live under a dictatorship, I guess they find nothing wrong with dictatorships, if they would so willfuly deny an individual his civil rights by their own actions. I miss the Democrats of old, the ones who believed in this country and wanted it to win its Wars. What ever happend to FDR or Harry Truman, or Woodrow Wilson for that matter. The modern democrats are all 100% peace now and make any sort of deal with the enemy to secure it, and 0% Democracy. I hope these extreme leftists who love Castro and all of America's enemies would leave the Democratic party soon. It just bother's me that one of the two main political parties of this country want it to lose and don't believe in America any more. I don't think peace is worth any price, if it was, we would be paying tribute.
GCNRevenger,
The long term benefits of a functioning lunar manufacturing base could effect the total long term development of space including the colonization of Mars and the outer planets within our solar system.
using the mining facilities as a base for operating on the Moon and then expanding it into a large manufacturing base for supplying components, resources processed for space based projects will reduce the overall long term costs for human expansion into space.
Yes, it will cost alot...
Again, again, I say that this is total nonsense. Oh you bet it will cost more, more than the same product from Earth Not only now, but in the future too! It just costs so much to make things on the Moon, that there can be no competition with Earth. The Moon simply does not offer much that can possibly be worth the cost involved in manufacturing versus doing it right here. I think that its safe to say that there can be no Moon factories without cheap launch from Earth, but if you have that, then what do you need the Moon for?
You need cheap launch to get the process going, but you can lift greater mass from the moon with the same energy than you could from Earth. Do you think the Whole Solar System is going to be a giant mercantilist Empire where everything is made on Earth?
Recently it has surfaced that a female NASA Astronaut has gone stalker on a rival over the affections of a fellow Male Astronaut.
"Psychotic Female Astronaut proof that exposure of women to greater than two G's of force cause permanent brain damage"-news at eleven
Does this threaten the future of Women in the Astronaut program?
Let us just get the formality of a trial over with and lets get on with the hanging shall we? ![]()
I guess from the poll above, the majority of people by a margin of 2 to 1 don't think the United States needs a President to run the Armed forces.
The Whitehouse has spent US blood and treasure to no good end. The situation would be better if Bush had spent his entire presidency holidaying at his ranch, and the nation would be hundreds of billions of dollars, not to mention thousands of lives, richer. Congress should do whatever they can to limit what further damage Bush & Company can do to the nation. Godspeed to them.
Let me just say, there is a reason the liberals are comparing the length of the Iraq War to that of World War II, and not the casuality rates. 3,000 people is not alot. If we were to retreat after losing 3,000 casualities, we wouldn't have won any of the major Wars. We would have succumed to the British during the Revolutionary War, we would have surrendered in the War of 1812, The Confederates would have defeated the Union forces after inflicting only 3,000 casualities in the first year. The Kaisar would have won World War II after the US sent its forces in and then quickly withdrew them after receiving 3,000 casualities in the trenches. The US would have capitulated to the Japanese shortly after Pearl Harbor and the 3,000th casuality was lost, the Korean War would have been a total win for the North. Need I go on. The USA wouldn't exist if we had such intollerance for casualities in a War, we would have been conquered and subjugated long ago. So your new standard for retreat is not a good one, and does not protect the American People, as the enemy only has to kill 3,000 soldiers and the white flag automatically goes up. We could have easily lost that amount in 9/11, we could have lost 50,000 in that single attack, so try to gain some perspective would you?
Also the Army needs a commander and Chief who can make decisions quickly with minimum debate. If you were a US soldier, would you want to receive your orders from Congress? Do you want Democrats and republicans debating on whether you are to receive aid or whether you can fight back while you are under attack by the enemy? The Legislature is not the Executive Branch, if you think we don't need an Executive Branch of Government, why don't you just say so now?
There is an interesting new book called The Sky People, its authour is S. M. Stirling and it can be found at:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0765314 … LGR04%253D
The book is an alternate history that posits: "What if Venus and Mars were more like that depicted un Pulp Science Fiction Novels at the beginning of the 20th century?"
I guess from the poll above, the majority of people by a margin of 2 to 1 don't think the United States needs a President to run the Armed forces. All we need is Congress to vote to give orders the the generals to be carried out. Wouldn't it be wonderful to be a soldier in the army where the men giving out the orders are a bunch of politicians in the legislature, and they argue and tussle and your orders determining where you will be sent all depend on the outcome of the debates and the give and take in the Senate where pork barrel spending is doled out to various districts, and compromises made. So , if your a soldier in the Army and you are outnumbered and surrounded by enemy forces, you must make a request to Congress for reinforcements, and a hearing will be held about whether to allow for reenforcements, and while they are discussing it, more enemy forces are moving in and surrounding your position. Isn't it reassuring that the tactics used and the strategy employed would all be determined by political discussions and compromises, rather than by military necessity?
The reason we have a President is so that quick military decisions can be made without endless discussion in the Legislature. If you think the Legislature, any Legislature can do a better job than the President, then we don't need a President and thus all those Democrats who are running for President and simultaneously weakening the office of President as they do so are wasting their time.