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#301 Re: Not So Free Chat » Political Potpourri VII - The Seventh Seal? » 2005-07-07 08:33:04

LO
ecrasez_l_infame, the attacks have nothing to see with the Olympics, to take place in seven years, more surely with the G8 summit in Scotland and Mr Bush's presence.
(Where he made a fun of himself by falling down with the mountain bike he was riding;)

#302 Re: Not So Free Chat » Political Potpourri VII - The Seventh Seal? » 2005-07-07 06:42:01

War in Irak definitively doesn't make the world safer sad

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co … ...23.html

To that point of view, War at Iraq and on terror is an absolute failure

#303 Re: Not So Free Chat » Race and Culture - A Changing Europe - Opening a mighty can of worms... » 2005-07-07 06:36:46

And isn't it funny that one thing that unites the *entire* world is the common use of the ten digits of "1,2,3..." for our numbering system, which was invented by the Arabs...which has proven far, far superior to the old Roman numbering system.

LO, the "arab" number system was invented in India and transmitted to Europe by the Arabs.

#304 Re: Not So Free Chat » Political Potpourri VII - The Seventh Seal? » 2005-07-07 05:10:02

Sorry, I'm no more in mood for kidding, I'm so sad for London attacks, it's remind me too much blasts in Paris metro.

#306 Re: Not So Free Chat » Political Potpourri VII - The Seventh Seal? » 2005-07-06 19:08:26

LO

Our fighting men once gave them liberty, and their darling women returned the favor with VD. nah.

Just a little lack of instructions of your troopers : in France, the houses with red lights and warm welcoming women in were brothels, not to be confused with battlefields recognizable with green uniformed german soldiers and armoured tanks.
(Brothels, famous french institutions were abolished and closed in 1947)


I heard that a bunch of military guys in the US military watched a movie about the big military operation in Algiers conducted by the French. Apparently we are learning our behavior from the best! Thanks froggy! tongue

Ha la la, the lessons have been misunderstood, you have to catch and torture terrorists before they blast their bombs !
After, results are, let's say, rather more modest.

#307 Re: Not So Free Chat » Political Potpourri VII - The Seventh Seal? » 2005-07-06 02:01:13

Napa Valley wine is the very best in all the world! Hah!  tongue

= = =

PS - - I also hear George W. Bush simply loves to eat snails.

= = =

LO
US citizens are so starving thin that the slightest wind blows them away unless they are harpooned to the ground tongue  nah

As its name indicates, Kentucky Bourbon is french invention tongue nah

#308 Re: Not So Free Chat » Political Potpourri VII - The Seventh Seal? » 2005-07-05 18:22:06

Ah, the value of good http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co … tml]police work.

Alliance Base demonstrates how most counterterrorism operations actually take place: through secretive alliances between the CIA and other countries' intelligence services. This is not the work of large army formations, or even small special forces teams, but of handfuls of U.S. intelligence case officers working with handfuls of foreign operatives, often in tentative arrangements.

Such joint intelligence work has been responsible for identifying, tracking and capturing or killing the vast majority of committed jihadists who have been targeted outside Iraq and Afghanistan since the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, according to terrorism experts.

The CIA declined to comment on Alliance Base, as did a spokesman for the French Embassy in Washington.

Most French officials and other intelligence veterans would talk about the partnership only if their names were withheld because the specifics are classified and the politics are sensitive. John E. McLaughlin, the former acting CIA director who retired recently after a 32-year career, described the relationship between the CIA and its French counterparts as "one of the best in the world. What they are willing to contribute is extraordinarily valuable."

LO
What a stupid trick to reveal this information  roll
We have to be looked at as antagonistic powers so one can get what the other can't get among some countries or political groups.
So, please do engrave in your brain definitively that we, froggies, want to compete at USA, economically, politically and militarily, that we are ennemies, that you hate us as much as we hate you.
Dig it ?
And by the way, this information is bullshit, we don't cooperate with our american ennemies in any matter and by any manner.
We don't even speak to them and <span style='font-size:17pt;line-height:100%'>never</span> visit their forums.

#309 Re: Not So Free Chat » Political Potpourri VII - The Seventh Seal? » 2005-07-01 15:29:01

LO

Besides, the "surrounding hostile world" that most Americans are now feeling the sting from has nothing to do with defense spending.

Sure, it has.
I do think that those trusts benefiting the defense spendings are interested in propaganding that feeling to get more defense spendings and benefits. One has a name that starts whith "hal" and ends with "ton"...


The places where the hostile sentiment emanates from are not the places defense spending is directed at. No one expects a war with France or Canada for example.

Strange examples, you mix hostility to this administration with islamo-extremism hate trying to destroy occident. Did you have any report of US citizen feeling threatened in his life in Canada or France ?

#310 Re: Not So Free Chat » Political Potpourri VII - The Seventh Seal? » 2005-07-01 09:54:48

LO

America is so inundated with hype and bullshit from all sides...and I mean within our own borders.  It's getting worse, louder, more intense.

LO
Find out who are interested in making US citizens feel like lethally endangered by a surrounding hostile world...
in whose pockets the hundreds billions dollars voted for defense go ?
They aren't abroad.

#311 Re: Not So Free Chat » Political Potpourri VII - The Seventh Seal? » 2005-07-01 08:18:50

LO

And given the mission at the time, defeating the Iraqi army and taking possession of the country, they were more than sufficient and performed brilliantly. A textbook operation in almost every respect.

With such a force disbalance, I would definitively take no notice in any textbook, there nothing brilliant. Except if you would call "brilliant" a heavy weight boxing champion knocking down a 2 years old kid.
I was even surprised that some Iraqis had the unconscious  bravery to oppose some resistance.
It was obvious that the only thing to do for Saddam's supporters  was to bury the weapons and engage a guerrilla fighting.


Oh, but the occupation! There was no plan! We needed more troops!

What for exactly, what precisely do you suggest these additional troops do? Soldiers don't usually make good cops, it isn't what they're trained or equipped for.

Some more troops would have avoided iraqi institutionnal places such as ammunitions stockyards, museums, schools, public buildings, banks from looting,
that would have been less things to repair and refurbish.

Ho, I forgot, Bush's theory was "we invade Iraq, topple Saddam, bring democracy and welfare, then cheerful and grateful iraqi people crying with joy display flowers under our soldiers steps, thank us with free oil supply, and the whole world cheers Mr President Bush"

#312 Re: Not So Free Chat » Political Potpourri VII - The Seventh Seal? » 2005-07-01 02:47:59

What I was referring to was this sudden and dramatic outpouring of bile and hatred towards the U.S. immediately after 9/11; a disorientingly high level of it.

LO
You are totally distorting facts, this is not at all of the lumieres as you pretend to be.
In almost all industrial and develloped countries, we saw the 9/11 with horror and much emotion and tears.
We sided with USA, sent troops to act against talibans.
The outpouring of bile went with Bush's evident desire to go at war at Irak whatever would be the inspector's repports on WMD.
You can add to this the US refusal to admit climate changes that are an evidence in Europe.
Now, I see USA as a world nuisance.and so does a majority of Europeans, included the Britishes.
Now, even China is seen as a better country to deal with than USA, which is surrealistic. sad

#313 Re: Not So Free Chat » Political Potpourri V - Continued from previous » 2005-06-04 04:22:50

LO
Surrealistic !
The Spanishes voted Yes to the EuroConstitution WITHOUT having it all. They could get a sumarize in their press, but to have it all, they soulld have to PAY for a full edition.

I was supposed to receive the full constitution book in my mailbox, I didn't even received it.
Thanks to the web, I downloaded it as PDF, a real pensum to read it. My girl who hates to read on a screen had to go to my district town hall to get the full edition.
Took me two whole weeks to read it,  tongue  though I didn't got what is a "Social Market Economy", not any definition nor description of it,  supposed to rule the EU.
When ratificated by national parliaments, wonder if the deputies even had the COURAGE to read it all...

In France, the official referendum campaign was
"you have the choice to vote Yes or Yes."
As we are a people which like to cross the streets anywhere else except in the places we're supposed to... big_smile

#314 Re: Not So Free Chat » Political Potpourri V - Continued from previous » 2005-06-03 02:39:25

LO
Europe isn't engaged as so in nuclear negociations with Iran.
It's the GB, Germany and France troïka, helped with an implicit threat of Israeli or US strikes at Iran nuke plants ifever negociations should fail. 3 countries play the nice fellows, Israel and USA play the bad boys role.
All rely on the the Iran leaders bet on israeli or US will to strike or not considering iranese threat on more mess in Iraq or in Palestine should their nuke plants be air bombed.

For Iter, french "no" to the European constitution has nothing to see, Russia, China and rest of Europe strongly support France for geographical or political reasons.
Japan is just dealing hard return of supply commands to the japanese industry, Japan want 20% and rest of the Iter consortium is ready on only the % of japanese part of Iter financement. In background, France proposes to some european partners to rise her and their parts of Iter financement to substitute to the japanese part, as some poker trick, Japan studies if France has the means of that trick.

What's sure is that french leaders concept of Europe as a superpower competing diplomaticly, economically and militarily USA thanks to their "so wise leadership", is a flop, but other european countries sure dont want the froggy to become a bully  big_smile

French leaders should first concentrate on french poor economy dynamic responsible for that "no" instead of seeing themselves as an example for the world.

#315 Re: Not So Free Chat » Political Potpourri V - Continued from previous » 2005-06-02 17:54:22

LO
I voted NO to European Constitution mainly because rules of its admenments are so tough that any admenment becomes impossible.
NO again because the European Central Bank direction has no counterpower, and its politic is aimed to maintain the € value, regardless of the european economy activity level, while Greenspan's action is aimed at US economy activity level.
NO again because middle sized european countries such as Nederland or Belgium have seen their political wheight reduced by the Constitution such as Cyprus + Malta which economic level is just about nothing have the same political wheight as Nederland or Belgium.
NO also because Bolkenstein Directive allows any society to work in an union member country under laws of the originated country of that society.
Would Americans accept that an indian or chinese society would be allowed to operate in the US territory under indian or chinese laws, using workers in the US territory with indian or chinese level wages ?
That is the kind of eurobureaucrats diktat I want to be smashed.
I want a polish society to operate in France with workers under french wage level and french social laws, and paying taxes on benefits in France.
I dont fear polish workers, plenty went to work in french charcoal mines in the fifties, their children became french citizens.

Is France weakened with this NO vote ?

Not quite sure.
Why France and not Nederland ?
Many Europeans agree with the dutch and french to struggle for keeping their social rights.
British Labour eurodeputies voted for a 48 hours a week work limit at the Europarliament.
Sure Chirac is weakened, but German and France power come from economics, therefore, wether France or Germany are strong of weak rely on the amont of money they can invest in the Euro Union, in develloping technology and research, that means on their economical wealth and having less unemployment and good exportations is a more sure way to recover power than a yes or no answer to a misconceived constitution.

I don't mind France or Europe to be superpowers, I want France to be a nice country to live in !
And rigth now, too many people do not live well, so if they live better, they will vote yes further on, and so shall I.

#317 Re: Not So Free Chat » Political Potpourri IV - Continued from previous » 2005-05-17 07:40:28

The Arab people are extraordinarily demonstrative. By comparison with northern Europeans, for example, their emotions are just barely sub-surface and apt to come bubbling and gushing to the surface at the slightest provocation.

LO
Aren't these guys big children ?  big_smile
Can't you stop with stupid préjugés ?
Where people are ineducated, you can lead them to scream anything, otherwise the are the same the world over.
Some are reactive, others cold blooded with the same distribution

#318 Re: Not So Free Chat » Political Potpourri IV - Continued from previous » 2005-05-17 07:09:54

Word of a Koran flushing incites the Arab world to fits of violence, a few WMD stories dupe the entire American public into war, finger pointing ensues, "you lied, no you lied! They should pay for tricking us!"

All in the name of democracy!  :laugh:

Silly humans. If such a large percentage of the global population is that irrational and/or stupid, this whole "democracy" idea is ill-conceived at its core.

Just a thought from your friendly neighborhood fascist.  big_smile

LO
C'mon, don't say anything, you're all but stupid  ??? and you perfectly know as well as me that those which manipulate Arabs with Koran one side and Americans which manipulate the american crowd with lies about WMD the other side are people which don't care a dim about democracy.

The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national autodetermination practiced in past centuries ..." -

#319 Re: Not So Free Chat » May 1st ("May Day") Traditions » 2005-05-03 14:46:28

LO

Thats the day we all wear red and parade our tanks down the street. big_smile

Red as republicans... and tanks down iraki streets ?

#320 Re: Not So Free Chat » Political Potpourri IV - Continued from previous » 2005-05-02 13:50:06

LO
http://216.239.39.104/translate_c?hl=en … s]Tricking allies
Use translation tools...
Le Figaro is a rightist french news paper, rather proamerican

#321 Re: Not So Free Chat » Corporal Punishment on Mars - Should it be Permitted or Not? » 2005-05-02 05:04:32

Lo
I suggest that a war crime is commited when a soldier obeys illegal orders, and when there is no order, a crime committed by a soldier is an ordinary crime.
And that "War on terror" is a sensless concept.
We can be at war at terrorists.

#322 Re: Not So Free Chat » May 1st ("May Day") Traditions » 2005-05-01 11:00:07

LO

Ah! It is all so clear to me, now.

And you must realise that 90 % of the lilies of the valley production is sold out on 1st of May, so that cultivators must synchonise the growth with pretty good efficiency.
Synchronising demonstrations is much more easy  big_smile

To be more precise :

Origins of the 1st of May lily of the valley.

The lily of the valley is originated from Asia, more precisely, Japan.
This plant is known and acclimatized in France since the middle ages. The lily of the valley was a long time the symbol of the Spring revival, thus it was logical that it became symbol of happiness and an amulet.
May 1st, 1561, King Charles IX of France founded the tradition to offer lily of the valley on 1st of May as a bringing happiness.

It is only about 1907, then into 1936 that the lily of the valley is associated with the Labour Day.
The date of 1st of May as the Labour day was adopted in 1889, with the congress of the foundation of IIe Internationale in Paris. This date was selected in memory of those who died at the Ist of May 1886 workers demonstration, in Chicago demanding for the introduction of the 8 laboured hours day.
In Paris, at a demonstration in 1890, the demonstrators ravelled while carrying to the buttonhole a red triangle symbolizing their claims, namely ideal division of the day in 3 eights: work - sleep - leisures. This triangle was replaced by the flower of wild rose then by the lily of the valley associated with a red necktie.
It has been this day where Labour Day and lily of the valley were associated.
It is only into 1936 that one finds the first sales of lily of the valley on first of May.

On market, today, I bought orange buttercups, then lilies of the valley for my beloved, and I don't mind political signifcation attached to these pretty lille flowers, nor did demonstrate with trade unions,
I'm a free-lance...

#323 Re: Not So Free Chat » May 1st ("May Day") Traditions » 2005-05-01 10:17:03

LO
In France, on 1st of May, tradition is to present (girl)friends with lilies of the valley, then to go demonstrate with trade unions.
The past 30 years these demonstrations where almost without any social aims other than to obey a tradition.
In past times, lilies of the valley grew up in forests.
They have been so much picked up that wild lilies of the valley have almost disappeared, and all are now only cultivated ones.
On 1st of May anybody is allowed to buy lilies of the valley from groceries and to sell them back in the streets.
The french communist party militants use to make money by selling the 1st of May lilies of the valley.
As this party is rather on the disappearance path, as a member of an endangered species (such as burgundy snails) protection group member, I always buy lilies of the valley from communist militants*,  big_smile authentic part of french folklore.

* They are arguing about the choice of which phone cabin in will take place their next congress...

#324 Re: Not So Free Chat » Political Potpourri IV - Continued from previous » 2005-05-01 08:58:08

LO

The first link is so full of would be, could be, might be maybe that it's difficult to deduce anything concrete from it.

The second link sounds like the script from "The Day after Tomorrow" - full of breathless sensationalism. You'll note that it's dated February 22nd 2004 and says:-

Each scientific forecast has always a part of uncertaincy.

Wheather forecasts should always be written like that :
"tomorrow weather should be..." instead of "tomorrow weather will be..."

Here, only few TV channels give the percentage of credebility of the weather forecasts.
Criticising the expression of uncertaincies that are attached to these forecasts is the mark either of ignorance of scientific processes, or of a deep intellectual dishonesty,

#325 Re: Not So Free Chat » Political Potpourri IV - Continued from previous » 2005-05-01 08:27:20

LO

*DonPanic:  You live in France.  Voltaire lived, died and was buried in France.  I'm Voltaire's sweetheart.  If you continue "yelling" at me in big red letters,  might come to haunt you.   tongue  :

--Cindy

The ghost of Voltaire tickled me all that night  sad

So sorry, http://isaisons.free.fr/muguet.jpg this as an apology...

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