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Actually we have lived off the land for centuries but those were of liveable condition. We have lost much of what is instictive survival skills to be redeveloped again for the Moon or for the Mars current environments. That is partly why the analogous site for the Mars society are in the romote regions of Earth. Taking advantage of the near Mars climates, soils, lack of water trying to simulate hostile atmospheric conditions by forcibly using space suits, sealed habitats and near rover transportation style vehicles
If we were to get a ship into the lowest possible orbit and to lower a syphoning tube into the atmosphere that is connected to a pump and storage system at the ship. One could start the process of not only teraforming but also for provide the ability to self sustain themselves with less support from earth.
Most design work and workers usually do not care about cost of parts or of labor to make items. There usual goal is to just make it work and that it is someone elses problem for cost. The only way to change that mind set is to reduce the available design funds. Forcing the designers to finally give a care.
US Working To Resume Space Shuttle Flights In March
http://www.spacedaily.com/news/shuttle-04u.html
The ISS urgently needs large scale resupply.
The last half of this page of response postings at http://www.newmars.com/cgi-bin/ikonboar … 260;st=165
have really been dealing with Iss cutbacks under the Hubble Mistake action needed topic. My response is the same from here down.
But in response to why other vehicle that could lift modules or nodes to the iss for install.
First you have the shuttle arm used to place into location for attachment to the Iss.
second is that each module was not designed to take the pressures of launch to orbit on the hulls or outer shell.
Designing a new shell to take these forces would probably weigh more than each module and still there would be the need for how to remove from protective casing once in orbit with the ISS and what to do with the casing as well.
The last half of this page of response postings are really dealing with the ISS cutbacks isssue on this site under the science and technology topic ISS cutbacks
http://www.newmars.com/cgi-bin....ntry169
But in response to why other vehicle that could lift modules or nodes to the iss for install.
First you have the shuttle arm used to place into location for attachment to the Iss.
second is that each module was not designed to take the pressures of launch to orbit on the hulls or outer shell.
Designing a new shell to take these forces would probably weigh more than each module and still there would be the need for how to remove from protective casing once in orbit with the ISS and what to do with the casing as well.
I too have longed for a chance to get into space but little or none of a chance since I am not rich, powerful and nor am I member of the working Nasa clan.
But the only reason to care at all about find any form of life is to know if it would be harmful to human life.
Also any more recently introduced lifes from Earth may have hitched rides aboard ours and other nations probes of the past 30 years plus.
While not being a 100% on target with this topic it does have some details of interest.
Next-gen rover to practice searching for life
Researchers prepare Zoë for test in Chilean desert
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/5725501/
While not being a 100% on target with this topic it does have some details of interest.
Next-gen rover to practice searching for life
Researchers prepare Zoë for test in Chilean desert
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/5725501/
• Aug. 17, 2004 | 6 p.m. ET
Space-race updates on the World Wide Web:
• Flight International: Could SpaceShipOne go orbital?
http://www.flightinternational.com/fi_issu....ode=106
• X Prize Foundation: Argentine rocketeers test escape tower
http://www.xprize.com/press_r....0040813
• Masten Space Systems: New entrant in suborbital market
http://masten-space.com/
• The Guardian: Space travel goes sailing
http://www.guardian.co.uk/space/article … 27,00.html
• Aug. 17, 2004 | 6 p.m. ET
Space-race updates on the World Wide Web:
• Flight International: Could SpaceShipOne go orbital?
http://www.flightinternational.com/fi_issu....ode=106
• X Prize Foundation: Argentine rocketeers test escape tower
http://www.xprize.com/press_r....0040813
• Masten Space Systems: New entrant in suborbital market
http://masten-space.com/
• The Guardian: Space travel goes sailing
http://www.guardian.co.uk/space/article … 27,00.html
Aug. 17, 2004 | 6 p.m. ET
Space-race updates on the World Wide Web:
• Flight International: Could SpaceShipOne go orbital?
http://www.flightinternational.com/fi_issu....ode=106
• X Prize Foundation: Argentine rocketeers test escape tower
http://www.xprize.com/press_r....0040813
• Masten Space Systems: New entrant in suborbital market
http://masten-space.com/
• The Guardian: Space travel goes sailing
http://www.guardian.co.uk/space/article … 27,00.html
• Aug. 17, 2004 | 6 p.m. ET
Space-race updates on the World Wide Web:
• Flight International: Could SpaceShipOne go orbital?
http://www.flightinternational.com/fi_issu....ode=106
• X Prize Foundation: Argentine rocketeers test escape tower
http://www.xprize.com/press_r....0040813
• Masten Space Systems: New entrant in suborbital market
http://masten-space.com/
• The Guardian: Space travel goes sailing
http://www.guardian.co.uk/space/article … 27,00.html
• Aug. 17, 2004 | 6 p.m. ET
Space-race updates on the World Wide Web:
• Flight International: Could SpaceShipOne go orbital?
http://www.flightinternational.com/fi_issu....ode=106
• X Prize Foundation: Argentine rocketeers test escape tower
http://www.xprize.com/press_r....0040813
• Masten Space Systems: New entrant in suborbital market
http://masten-space.com/
• The Guardian: Space travel goes sailing
http://www.guardian.co.uk/space/article … 27,00.html
More on the other topic of is hubble a mistake action needed.
spacedaily article link on that page.
http://www.newmars.com/cgi-bin....ntry172
I had posted snipet from the same article with respect to the mating of the de-orbit stage if the gyros are left in that unit and not part of any change out operation done by the canadian arm dexter in that it would be unstable for use due to vibrations.
Venus: Inhabited World?
Interview with David Grinspoon
http://www.astrobio.net/news....thold=0
snipet:
The planet Venus is like Earth in many ways. It has a similar size and mass, it is closer to us than any other planet, and it probably formed from the same sort of materials that formed Earth. For years scientists and science fiction writers dreamed of the exotic jungles and life forms that must inhabit Earth's twin sister.
Well the debate is on for Manned vs. unmanned (again).
See the http://www.spacepolitics.com/ another blog site with commentary from the Truth news web site.
Of course with Hubble 2 they needed to update everything to last much longer than the Items did that needed replacing over all the years that hubble has been in space.
Batteries, Gyro's ect...
Here is an article from a while ago on the topic.
http://www.spacedaily.com/news/lunar-04s.html
This link will provide more blog comments for when this article came out from the Project constellation.us site.
http://www.jburk.com/mt/mt-comments.cgi?entry_id=489
Wgc
I am getting tired of preaching this, here's whats need to be done, so far no president has committed to anything like this.1) Space activities need to be made a cabinet position
2) Our space efforts should not compete against Veterans and the poor, funding it from that part of the budget is stupidity.
3) space funding should be multiyear, not subject to annual permutations.
4) Funding for space should come from multiple agencies in the government.
Perhaps satellite launches and aeronautics should be part of the department of transportation.
Well here is a list of What I believe to be current cabinet posts and who is in them. So how would that work giving it a post? Would that also mean a separate budget?
I agree that action must be taken but what form should it take is the question.
Cabinet Position Cabinet Official
Agriculture Secretary Ann Veneman
Attorney General John Ashcroft
Commerce Secretary Don Evans
Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld
Education Secretary Rod Paige
Energy Secretary Spencer Abraham
Health and Human Services
Secretary Tommy Thompson
Homeland Security Tom Ridge
Housing and Urban Development Alphonso Jackson
Interior Secretary Gale Norton
Labor Secretary Elaine Chao
Secretary of State Colin Powell
Transportation Secretary Norman Mineta
Treasury Secretary John Snow
Veterans Affairs Secretary Anthony Principi
President Bush's Advisors Position Advisor
White House Chief of Staff Andrew Card
Director of the Office of
Management and Budget Josh Bolten
National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice
Director National Economic Council Steve Friedman
On a note of the shuttle return to flight.
Nasa news release Discovery Milestones Set Stage for Return To Flight
http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2004/au … pdate.html
Since the first few flights will require a second shuttle be staged within a reasonable time how far off the time line is the next shuttle in its preperations for any such rescue attempt if needed.
Just what Nasa needs to do, award another contract to the big guy's in the space biz. Did not the commissions final report say to use the private industry. I know that they recently asked for information on just that section of the report.
I has posted this yesterday under the Iss cutbacks topic.
So we actually can build things in space if given the tools. Who would have thought it something other than the science being trumpeted as the only use of the station.
Now here is a real surprise of science being done on the ISS.
Soldering Surprise
There's nothing routine about working in space, as astronaut Mike Fincke found out recently when he did some soldering onboard the International Space Station.
All to service who, the elite of Nasa or the super wealthy. I do not think so. Space should be for everybody willing and wanting to go.
Yes the rockets are small but the knowledge that is gained by those that are attempting. This is done because it was not shared out of fear by The military, or Nations leaders and by Nasa. Not to mention the big guys in Lockheed and Boeing wanting to keep there piece of the pie.
So yes they are recreating the wheel but learning as they go to keep design, launch, operations and manufacturing costs down. This in its self will open up markets.