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#30051 Re: Human missions » Kerry's position on space - any one know were Kerry stands » 2004-09-07 09:42:01

Even as we move forward with the fight against terror we will need to stop the means by which they carry out there tasks.

http://www.thespacereview.com/article/218/1
Snipet:
Democracy, development, censorship, and satellites
The ongoing legal effort by the French to force Eutelsat to stop carrying the pro-terrorist Al-Manar TV channel may be perfectly consistent with France’s traditions of secularism and their laws against various forms of hate speech, but it may also be a strategic mistake. Aside from the possibility that Al-Manar may simply switch to a different satellite company, the complex legal process has allowed one of the nastiest, and best supported, terrorist groups in the world to look like a victim.

#30052 Re: Space Policy » Space fairing Nations - The ever changing view » 2004-09-07 09:39:43

A better way to promote space settlement in our lifetimes
http://www.thespacereview.com/article/219/1

article discusses the Outer Space Treaty

#30053 Re: Human missions » Delta IV Heavy and Beyond » 2004-09-07 09:37:26

Interesting how Expendable could yeild so many launches to the moon with little modifications to what we already have.

Quote from Colonize the Moon before Mars
http://www.thespacereview.com/article/221/1

Existing technology can be used to get to the Moon (see “Soyuz to the Moon?”, The Space Review, August 2, 2004). A lunar landing mission might cost $120 million for an Ariane 5 booster. If each mission cost another $120 million for the Soyuz, service module and everything else, then that would be $240 million per flight instead of $5 billion per flight. That means that a $50-billion level of commitment from Earth can afford over 400 flights every two years. Of course, that level of commitment could be optimally spent in much better ways. By creating a lunar cycler, a station at L-1, an orbital fuel depot, in situ utilization of lunar oxygen and possibly lunar water, there could be a vibrant community on the Moon.

#30054 Re: Human missions » Moon to Mars Mission - The posible Man and Unmaned Mission » 2004-09-07 09:31:39

Projectconstellation.us web site

Raytheon Selected for NASA Project Constellation Engineering Study Team

"Raytheon Company has been selected by NASA to participate in a six-month study team to define various system requirements and design the architecture for the agency's Project Constellation Moon-to-Mars program. Raytheon, led by engineers at its Missile Systems business, received a nearly $1 million contract for the Concept Exploration and Refinement (CER) work, which could extend beyond the initial six-month award period."

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/040902/neth028_1.html
(Raytheon)
http://www.tucsoncitizen.com/index.p....aytheon (Tucson Citizen)

More data for others also that have gotten contracts for two differing concept points under exploration.

NASA Selects Contractors for Exploration Studies
http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewpr.html?pid=14924
NASA today awarded the first contracts to conduct preliminary concept studies for human lunar exploration and the development of the crew exploration vehicle. Eleven companies were selected

Colonize the Moon before Mars
http://www.thespacereview.com/article/221/1

#30055 Re: Science, Technology, and Astronomy » Space Elevator gets more funding » 2004-09-07 09:25:38

Space elevator dry run: next stop, the Moon
http://www.thespacereview.com/article/220/1

A Lunavator can also help spawn an Earthvator and space elevators for Mars, Titan, and a bunch of other destinations. Mars elevator only takes one-third as much mass, the lunar elevator would require only about one-sixth as much mass and three-quarters as much length as an Earth-to-space elevator. What that means is a lunar elevator would not have to have as strong a cable as the Earthvator.

#30056 Re: Human missions » Space Initive Launch Vehicle » 2004-09-07 09:14:31

Why is work still being done on composite tanks which were slated for the X series vehicles that have been cancelled. Also the tanks are very small in comparison to the shuttles.

Northrop Grumman, NASA Complete Testing of Prototype Composite Cryogenic Fuel Tank

Nine Months of Testing Proves Integrity of Tank Manufacturing Process, Boosts Confidence in Using Composite Fuel Tanks for Reusable Space Transportation Systems

http://biz.yahoo.com/pz/040907/63264.html

#30057 Re: Human missions » hurricanes, should we have kept sl6 » 2004-09-07 08:55:02

Effects of hurricane could delay space shuttle launch

Vehicles secure; launch facilities are less certain
http://www.floridatoday.com/!NE....LES.htm

Hurricane spares shuttles, but ...
Facility damage could expose them to real danger if a new storm hits
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/space/2781561

#30058 Re: Human missions » Clunking to Mars - Are the needed parts already up there? » 2004-09-07 08:47:01

When this happened so many years ago I myself was not aware of the design implications and of it's demise as a means to help with the shuttle funding. I thought at the time that the shuttle was more of an Airforce supremacy thing. Fighters in space concept.

#30059 Re: Human missions » Space Initive Launch Vehicle » 2004-09-07 08:43:14

Great picture but point me to the reference for the specifics. Please...
It reminders me of the SLI Venture craft under the x-33 I think possibilities.

#30060 Re: Human missions » China The Dominant Superpower In 20 Years..... - What does this mean for US? » 2004-09-07 08:39:17

I believe that is why they were looking at the salt mines out west to create under ground caverns for this spent nuclear material and other contaminated materials. The quote by the government, safe material storage for self life.

#30061 Re: Human missions » Kerry's position on space - any one know were Kerry stands » 2004-09-07 08:25:40

What else could Saudi arabia's people export besides oil that would lift there nations people out of being poor?

The rich also protect the rich always looking down on the poor as not part of there cast.

#30062 Re: Human missions » hurricanes, should we have kept sl6 » 2004-09-07 08:14:13

But if we had done a pay as you go approach by are self, this would mean that we would not be doing anything at all with the ISS due to the shuttle disasters. Also we would be looking not to keep build and expanding the station but on module replacements when they become old.

#30063 Re: Planetary transportation » Airplanes on Mars » 2004-09-07 08:04:32

NASA Releases Helios Prototype Aircraft Mishap Report
http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewpr.html?pid=14958

Maybe the bow of the wings if the ends were connected together would have made for a different design but might not have seen the problem.

#30064 Re: Human missions » hurricanes, should we have kept sl6 » 2004-09-07 07:33:42

There is more on this topic under the free chat
NASA & Hurricane Frances
http://www.newmars.com/cgi-bin....3;t=588

With all the damage how will Nasa pay for the repair costs and still do the vision of to the Moon, Mars and beyound?
These storms have been devistating and more are still to come as we have entered hurricane season for Florida. Maybe it is time to thing of alternative launch sites for ISS missions further north where it is less likely to be effected by such storms.

#30065 Re: Not So Free Chat » NASA & Hurricane Frances » 2004-09-07 06:38:32

With all the damage how will Nasa pay for the repair costs and still do the vision of to the Moon, Mars and beyound?
These storms have been devistating and more are still to come as we have entered hurricane season for Florida. Maybe it is time to thing of alternative launch sites for ISS missions further north where it is less likely to be effected by such storms.

#30066 Re: Human missions » Space Initive Launch Vehicle » 2004-09-07 06:34:55

While not the first time for a SDV it does have many of the features of an article I saw some time ago. A little search on magnum on space.com got this link
http://www.space.com/busines....er.html
date back in 2000 NASA Draws Up Big Booster for Mars
This concept did include flyback booster, more re-usuability of components and safer in design than the current srb's.
Engineers at NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center are working on designs for a new giant launch vehicle called Magnum. It would use a curious mix of Russian rocket engines -- derived from the abandoned Soviet Energia rocket program -- and newly developed strap-on, liquid-fueled boosters that would first be tested out on space shuttles.

The Magnum would use the space shuttle launch facilities at Cape Canaveral and could launch 80 tons (81,280 kilograms) of payload into low Earth orbit (LEO). This compares with around 20 tons (20,320 kilograms) for the piloted space shuttle, and for un-piloted vehicles like the U.S.' Titan 4-B and the European Space Agency's Ariane 5. Its lift capacity, however, would be less than the 100 tons (101,600 kilograms) that the Saturn 5 and Energia could manage.

#30067 Re: Science, Technology, and Astronomy » ISS cutbacks » 2004-09-07 05:59:41

But this is where the contractors hands are not. They know what nasa needs and could do all the development work without any up front or guaranteed contracts for purchase.

If it is what you need and the price is right you buy it. That's commercialism and that starts the process of space costs coming down though competition.

And speaking of budgets the recent storms and the next ones to come that have already done quite a bit of damage; where will that money come from to repair those facilities? Oh I know just another delayed or cancelled project or will it be Nasa asking for more money from congress?

#30068 Re: Space Policy » Space fairing Nations - The ever changing view » 2004-09-07 05:50:50

With the recent storms in Florida and more on there way, How will Nasa obsorb the damage costs? In an already tightly funded budget more than just a few somethings will either be delay or cancelled out right. The only solution would seem is to ask for more money from congress.


NASA's New Venture Capital Fund: "The Mercury Fund"
http://www.comspacewatch.com/news/viewsr.html?pid=13859
"This procurement is for the purchase of the legal services and business advice in support of the Agency's effort to create a venture capital fund similar in concept to the Central Intelligence Agency's (CIA) In-Q-Tel. NASA's fund is hereby referred to as "The Mercury Fund"...The goal of The Mercury Fund will be to invest in tandem with established private sector venture capital funds to sponsor innovative, multi-use technologies to help NASA achieve its mission and to better position these technologies for future multiple and/or commercial uses."


CBO Study: A Budgetary Analysis of NASA's New Vision for Space Exploration
http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewsr.html?pid=13884
Summary :
President Bush's new vision for human and robotic exploration of the solar system, which he first articulated in January of this year, has shifted the main focus of the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) to, initially, returning people to the moon and, later, sending human missions to Mars and beyond. Following the President's announcement, NASA released its budget request for fiscal year 2005 and its budget projection, which forecasts budgetary requirements through 2020.

#30069 Re: Science, Technology, and Astronomy » LIGO, LISA and Gravity Probe B - Gravity Wave Studies » 2004-09-03 13:56:22

Great update for I had not seen or heard of much from this experiment to prove or disprove Eistines theories.

#30070 Re: Life support systems » Mars on Earth 2001 - Mars Society spacecraft prototype » 2004-09-03 13:53:46

I believe that you are right about the air time but the message is getting lost in the shuffle on cost and of funding. Not to mention all the other issues that are going on with Nasa in general. The work they have done give the human side of the equation a way to be compensted for when we do make the long journey and stay on mars. But I think little has been though of when it comes to coming home after such a long mission which only gets longer by the return trip time.

#30071 Re: Life support systems » Do you take this Woman - for a long ride ? » 2004-09-03 13:38:11

Sort of like the star trek voyager holographic Doctor. Good for the soul plus you can turn it off if you do not want to hear it.

#30072 Re: Interplanetary transportation » Da Vinci in the Running - Let the Space Race Begin! » 2004-09-03 13:31:44

I know that I loved rockets when I was a kid. Building many of the models and launching them high into the sky. Single stage as well as multiple ones as well. Most were parachute recovery but a few were glide back style circular return. Even did a couple of launches in high school as a project.

I think the fear is for the pilots of these crafts and not the idea that they will all explode or something.

#30073 Re: Interplanetary transportation » Gravity Wheel - Is E=6*45^2, minimum solution? » 2004-09-03 13:27:25

Tapping gravity would make sense if it oscillated but is in not constant?

#30074 Re: Human missions » Kerry's position on space - any one know were Kerry stands » 2004-09-03 13:03:35

If the convention were held in the reverse order do you think that it would play out in the same way or that it would still be sort of a one way sling fest. Would the republicans still have take there shots still at Kerry if they were reversed in order?

#30075 Re: Planetary transportation » Airplanes on Mars » 2004-09-03 12:31:33

Great links the last one is in German I think but does not translate all that well. Some more flying saucers are further down the page are also interesting as well.

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