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With this new found space we now have the chance for a race but will it be tripped up by who wins is the question. Or will the alternavtive space ventures by private industry lead the way.
And in another article The Sober Realities of Manned Space Flight we get the broad picture of the vision and of Nasa not invented here bias on space cost.
The Sober Realities of Manned Space Flight
This is the picture of a federal agency immune to the competitive influences of the private sector. "You see this little metal loop? It's called a carabineer," California space entrepreneur Rick Tumlinson told a Senate hearing right after the President's announcement in January. "You could go to any sporting goods shop and buy it for $20. Yet NASA pays over $1,000 for the same object because of its procurement methods. It's the 'not-invented-here' mentality and distrust of the private sector that makes the cost of these projects so astronomical."
Each Space Shuttle (there are now three) must be virtually reconstructed after each flight. The process takes two months and 20,000 people. Some of the parts are so outdated that engineers troll eBay for replacements. "What we save on re-use, we throw away on maintenance of the aging fleet," says Alex Roland, professor of military history at Duke and former historian of NASA. The Shuttles are scheduled to be retired for good in 2010.
Well china is definitely stretching there space wings, next up is a 2 manned 5 day mission. Quite the difference from the 21 hour first manned flight.
China's Shenzhou 6 To Carry Two Astronauts On Five-Day Mission Next Year
In the article Spirit and Opportunity Pushing the Bounds of Exploration there are many interesting facts of the on going mars mission but also of the future missions as well and of the budget impact of thoses in the planning stages.
Spirit and Opportunity Pushing the Bounds of Exploration
Detailed examination of the shield will also provide engineering data to help build better future Martian reentry systems. The Martian landers and orbiters will keep arriving at two-year intervals through this decade, adding to the five spacecraft already there--the two rovers, the U.S. Mars Global Surveyor and Odyssey orbiters, and the European Mars Express orbiter. In fact, Mars exploration has reached a stage in which, from now into the foreseeable future, dozens of U.S. and European contractors and thousands of employees will be working daily on several hundred million dollars' worth of new robotic Mars missions and Mars-related aerospace technologies to support the existing strategy--which will soon be upgraded by the new road map planning effort.
The next mission will be the $300-million-class NASA JPL/Lockheed Martin Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter, set for launch in August 2005 with extremely high-resolution imaging capability (pictured above). It will be followed in 2007 by the Phoenix north polar lander and in 2009 by the Mars Telesat orbiter and $1-billion Mars Science Lander, a much more capable rover. The initial robotic sample return mission, envisioned for 2013, will also drive more than $1 billion in new research and development.
The Mars road map initiative for additional missions to at least 2025 is to get underway in December. JPL Director Elachi is selecting various road map team members to review the Mars strategy in the wake of the rovers' success.
Well it would appear that Nasa is spinning its wheels when it comes to planning future moon missions. The article references that the election results could influence the future of the space program. Like dah. we know that..
I believe we have talked about weapons in space before under this thread so I am posting this here. It is one thing to have the advantage of space satelites for use while in a war situation, it is however wrong for weapons to end up in space.
Great article Robots and Hubble: a bad idea? as written by Jeff joust on the space review site. It gets into all the pro's and cons for such a mission and also some of the various options for saving it.
On SDV the only thing reused will be the SRB, which do not cost all that much when compared to the rest of the rocket that would be treated as expendable for the shuttle C flavor. Getting the cost of making them lower and the number of personel to launch are only part of the equation for Nasa success with SDV.
With any Boeing or Lockheed derivative you only pay the flat fee and your done.
Comstar03: I love the lego presentation of truss construction techinques. Something that needs to be done within a large hanger in orbit, preferably around an ISS like station but not necessarily the current one.
commodore: There was a demostrator a few months ago I think be lockheed. I will add the link once I find it.
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well I promised and now will deliver.
LOCKHEED MARTIN SCORES SUCCESS WITH LANDING TECHNOLOGY TESTS FOR A FUTURE ASTRONAUT CREW EXPLORATION VEHICLE
http://www.lockheedmartin.com/wms....&sc=400
This is probably all a mute point (repair or broken droids) for once enough oxygen has been generated I would think we would have a manned presence on the moon and that any repairs could be done then. Yes not necessarily be man himself but possibly by robots at that time.
You bring up an interesting point of expendable with splash down recovery versus the re-useable airport runway landing. Which would be cheaper ? We have no numbers for the mission recovery cost from the Apollo era that at least I am aware of since it was probably within the military budget back then.
On a note for the Web site's Name sake.
NASA & U.S. Navy Join to Celebrate Spirit of Exploration
http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin....&EDATE=
Article gives the history of the constellation name.
Quote:
Today, we help continue that tradition by accepting the spirit of the original Constellation and proudly transferring it to the class of space vehicles that will carry humankind back to the moon, Mars and beyond."
Finally got the read the 50k article released from the Nasa news link from JPL. I want to know why it took from late september to figure out that this was the one it only took 260 days before this one was take. Isn't the sundial at the lander site? what did they do drive around in a circle?
It appears that Titan methane clouds are missing and that the nitrogen in Titan's atmosphere is heavy but less light form is present.
I have seen this photo before but here is the article. Earth quakes produce fault lines but on Mars they are sink holes, this could also be an indicator of under ground water and of its movement.
Pit chains hint at recent marsquakes on red planet
http://www.spaceflightnow.com/news/n0410/29marsquakes/
More on the return to flight NASA Sets New Space Shuttle Launch Planning Window http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2004/oc … indow.html
After an extensive review, NASA is planning its Return to Flight Space Shuttle mission, designated STS-114, for a launch window that opens in May 2005.
NASA's Space Flight Leadership Council met today to consider a recommendation from the Space Shuttle Program to revise the Return to Flight target launch window to May 2005. The council endorsed the recommendation the May window, which opens from May 12 to June 3, 2005, is achievable
From Florida today with some of the previous Msnbc info.
NASA looks at less flights
Plans encourage full schedule; shuttle launch goal still mid-May
http://www.floridatoday.com/!NEWSROOM/s … HUTTLE.htm
Lots of Kerry stories on http://www.spacepolitics.com/
Florida Today on Bush vs. Kerry and of the Glenn on Kerry space policy simular articles can also be found on the http://www.projectconstellation.us/news/ Being Good Stewards of the Nation's Space Program
BUSH ADMINISTRATION GRADE: C- Prepared for Rep. Bart Gordon, the article is not from the House Science Committee but is appaerently authored by a staffer from the Democratic Caucus Committee on Science.
On the other side of the coin NASA Scientist: Bush Stifles Global Warming Evidence on http://www.space.com/news/bush_warming_041027.html
While on NasaWatch an article titled The Day John Kerry Tried to Gut NASA - All By Himself wanted to Terminate the National Aerospace Plane Program, Terminate NASA's support for producers of commercial airlines, and Terminate the International Space Station Program back in 1995.
Lots of details on the new soyuz 2 rocket.
NEW SPACESHIP AND LAUNCH VEHICLE THE FOUNDATION OF RUSSIAN SPACE PROGRAM
Any one here subscribe to the space news?
link is on the http://www.spacetoday.net/
CEV Shakeup: Boeing Joins Northrop Grumman Bid
Space News (subscribers only) — 12:30 pm ET (1630 GMT)
And thats where the Dart program comes in if it ever does launch. There has been several delays in the past few days.
DART launch postponed again
The launch of a NASA technology demonstration satellite has been postponed until at least the middle of next week because of contamination found in its launch vehicle. The Demonstration of Autonomous Rendezvous Technology (DART) spacecraft was scheduled to launch late Thursday morning on a Pegasus XL vehicle off the coast from Vandenberg Air Force Base, California. However, during launch vehicle closeout processing Wednesday night technicians discovered flakes of aluminum foil from the Pegasus payload fairing. The launch is now scheduled for no earlier than November 4 to give crews enough time to determine and fix the problem. The launch was scheduled for Tuesday but delayed by a combination of inclement weather and technical glitches. DART is scheduled to perform an automated approach and rendezvous with an existing small satellite, MUBLCOM, demonstrating technology that could be used on future missions.
press release
http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin....&EDATE=
But your one eyed hobo was in a crowd that also has had similar thoughts even before the disastrous re-entry break up some as long as a couple of decades.
But the problem remains, no funds nobody does any work beyound where they are. Even if the funds were available today it still would be 4 years at least before it would be flying.
Yup they are trying for a lunar gravity capture of Smart 1, this is also a first since other were done by atmospheric drag and since the moon has none it is a little tougher to do.
NASA mulls early retirement for space shuttle
Preliminary studies look at off-loading station building to rockets
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6357772/
Even as NASA gears up for the space shuttle's return to flight next year, officials at the space agency are quietly studying the possibility of cutting back its number of missions and retiring the spacecraft years ahead of schedule, MSNBC.com has learned.
On condition of anonymity, one current and one former high-level NASA employee, each with direct knowledge of the studies, provided MSNBC with details of the discussions. In addition, two former astronauts and a senior space policy expert, also requesting anonymity, said they had been told of the shuttle discussion by current NASA officials.
What some officials at NASA are studying, sources told MSNBC.com, is whether the current mission manifest could be cut back. The cold calculus of space budgets state that for every four or five shuttle missions eliminated, the shuttle program can be terminated a year earlier. And at current operating costs, that frees up about $5 billion a year for future development.
Even talks of the planetary plan for flight reduction and use of russian rockets where possible.
What I wonder more about with regards to the poles shifting would be did they happen at the same time as when Earths did?