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#29326 Re: Unmanned probes » Opportunity & Spirit **8** - ...More... » 2004-11-11 07:09:22

Evidence of water deepens mystery of planet's history - Mars answers spur questions

Five spacecraft are circling Mars and creeping across its ruddy surface, looking for traces of long-gone waters and signs that the cold, arid planet may once have been hospitable to life.

Now I know the rovers names but what did we call the rest of the probe that is still in orbit?
Still waiting on Mars express to use its radar to see how deep the water goes.

Next year, NASA's Lockheed Martin-built Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter will launch on a mission to snap the sharpest-ever pictures of the red planet's surface. In 2007 another Lockheed Martin craft, Phoenix, will land in a polar region and attempt to dig into subsurface ice.

In 2009, NASA's Mobile Science Laboratory - as big as a Volkswagen Bug - will be launched. Science instruments for the lab will be selected in about two weeks.

Beyond that, NASA is planning a mission to bring Mars rocks and soil to Earth. And President Bush has called for human missions back to the moon and on to Mars. McCleese said the best-guess date on a human Mars mission is 2030.

#29327 Re: Space Policy » Space fairing Nations - The ever changing view » 2004-11-11 07:01:51

Hypersonic research craft set to fly Monday.

One challenge facing the upcoming flight is that the heat on the X-43 will be much greater than on the previous flight. Hot spots on the previous X-43 flight reached 2,600 degrees. Temperatures are expected to reach as high as 3,600 degrees during this flight.

Additional thermal protection is being put on the vertical tail and on the leading edges of the aircraft. The thermal protection is a coating similar to what is used on the space shuttles.

The future of hypersonic research by NASA is being examined. One possibility is to research what is needed to use the technology for the first stage of a two-stage space launch system, said Vincent Rausch, manager of the Hyper-X program.

While NASA considers its course in hypersonic research, the Air Force is pressing ahead with efforts to develop such technologies for use in future aircraft that could reach any spot in the world within a couple of hours.

The Stated Air Force's ultimate goal is to develop a plane capable of flying at least 3,500 mph and carrying 12,000 pounds of cruise missiles or small-diameter bombs. I for one would hope that the Air force drops that Idea and that we use the technology gained for peaceful purposes.

#29328 Re: Human missions » Space tourism & - a shuttle C hotel? » 2004-11-11 06:54:36

Space Race 2: Half-Price Rockets
Though the xprize was only a drop the real bucket comes in the form of others trying to achieve real space flight for less.
Selling Falcon 1's for around 6 million is just the start.

#29329 Re: Science, Technology, and Astronomy » New Discoveries *4* - ...Solar System, Deep Space, cont'd » 2004-11-11 06:48:15

I think you were right about the other thread missing The Jupiter's Daytime Disappearance or occultation.

http://skyandtelescope.com/news/article_1385_1.asp

Other links for A Late - Night Jupiter Occultation, do not fret if you missed it. A more dramatic repeat is at hand, this time in the deepest dark of night. On the morning of December 7th, the thick waning crescent Moon will rise in the east.
Great chart of time for viewing as indicated by Universal Time.

#29330 Re: Unmanned probes » SMART-1 - ESA lunar orbiter » 2004-11-11 06:37:59

Update on progress:
SMART-1 from Earth-bound to Moon-bound

Showing how Smart 1 will be lunar captured into orbit

The spacecraft is currently proceeding unpowered and is planned to enter lunar orbit on 15 November, reaching the first perilune at 17:48 UTC.

#29331 Re: Human missions » NASA Technology Request BAA - A step in the right direction (finally)? » 2004-11-11 06:31:17

News release Nasa Space agency invited public participation into NASA's Capability Roadmap Public Workshop in Washington November 30.

This RFI solicits information only, in two categories:
· Capabilities Focus Areas
· Strategic Objectives Focus Areas.

Capabilities Focus Areas: Groups or individuals interested in describing existing or proposed capabilities or technologies to NASA are encouraged to provide rationale and technical details in a white paper format (no longer than two pages).

Capabilities should relate to one or more of the 15 key capability focus areas shown below:
1.High-Energy Power and Propulsion
2. In-Space Transportation
3. Advanced Telescopes and Observatories
4. Communication and Navigation
5. Robotic Access to Planetary Surfaces
6. Human Planetary Landing Systems
7. Human Health and Support Systems
8. Human Exploration Systems and Mobility
9. Autonomous Systems and Robotics
10. Transformational Spaceport/Range
11. Scientific Instruments/Sensors
12. In Situ Resource Utilization
13. Advanced Modeling, Simulation, Analysis
14. Systems Engineering Cost/Risk Analysis
15. Nanotechnology

Strategic Focus Areas: Groups or individuals interested in providing input to the Strategic Roadmap teams are encouraged to describe their ideas in a white paper format (no longer than two pages) by December 10, 2004. See below for instructions on white paper submission. Strategic white papers should relate to one or more of the 12 key strategic focus areas shown below (maximum of two focus areas per paper):
1.Robotic and human lunar expeditions.
2. Sustained, long-term robotic and human exploration of Mars.
3. Robotic exploration across the solar system.
4. Advanced telescope searches for Earth-like planets and habitable environments.
5. Development of an exploration transportation system.
6. Completion of the International Space Station and focusing its use on supporting space exploration goals.
7. Exploration of the Universe.
8. Exploration of the dynamic Earth system.
9. Exploration of the Sun-Earth system.
10. Advanced aeronautical technologies for next-generation aviation systems.
11. Using NASA missions to inspire, motivate, and educate. 12. Utilization of nuclear systems

Other document spelling out more details.
http://fellowships.hq.nasa.gov/apio/Att … _01_V5.pdf

#29332 Re: Science, Technology, and Astronomy » Spitzer Space Telescope » 2004-11-11 06:21:06

Saw that late last night but from another source
Good News for Pluto - Spitzer Astronomers Say KBOs May Be Smaller Than Thought

Which now that Pluto's status as a planet will bring up the question on sedna as the 10th once more exact measurements can be made of it.

Sure would be nice if the Horizon Pluto probe could see these KBO objects once in orbit around our 9th planet.

#29336 Re: Life support systems » Mining the Moon gateway to Mars Article Space.com » 2004-11-10 14:59:21

posted earlier today under the need for a moon direct plan....

#29337 Re: Science, Technology, and Astronomy » Vesta & Uranus » 2004-11-10 14:36:44

The Keck Telescope in Hawaii has provided insight into some of the most enigmatic weather in the solar system.
New Images Reveal Clouds on Planet Uranus

#29339 Re: Unmanned probes » MESSENGER - Mercury Orbiter » 2004-11-10 14:29:56

Well with all the talk about the Boeing and Northrop venture for CEV, I happen on a release for the guidance system for the probe. Seems like they do a good job for what they are charging for the work done.
Northrop Grumman Guidance System Keeps MESSENGER On Course to Mercury

Keep going Messenger, We are all waiting for our first glimpse of the planet Mercury.

#29340 Re: Human missions » Space tourism & - a shuttle C hotel? » 2004-11-10 14:25:09

Another joins in on wanting to venture into space as a tourism provider. Not wanting to be out done Amazon supremo Jeff Bezos has thrown down the gauntlet to Brit entrepreneur Richard Branson by declaring that he is also going into the space tourism business.

Blue Origin is actively hiring. Since June 2003, we've more than doubled the size of our Seattle-based design team. Blue personnel have played key roles on a variety of vehicle development programs, such as DC-X, Sea Launch, Kistler K-1, Beal Aerospace, Space Shuttle, Iridium and National Missile Defense.

Amazon supremo joins space race

#29342 Re: Science, Technology, and Astronomy » nuclear power about to make a comeback! - mars direct to get dusted off? » 2004-11-10 13:56:40

It was with regards to pebble reactors in that particular thread. After a search from the beginning with key words china and nuclear they where some of the other ones. Some are very interesting topics in deed. Plus this one of course.

China New Competition for Nasa/U.S.

a war a war

President Bush about bush

American Moon Base prediction... tell me what you think

EU - Iranian nuclear deal Good? Bad? Indifferent?

A nuclear event Do you expect one in your lifetime?

Iran rejects UN nuclear demands

yep - they're on the run now....Predictions for 2005

Europa

"Star Wars" missile defense practicle?

nuclear power about to make a comeback!
mars direct to get dusted off?

A Nuclear Space Race Between America And China. A new Apollo?

China The Dominant Superpower In 20 Years..... What does this mean for US?

Question for board members.... Manned mission to Mars.

Martian Exports What can martians sell?

#29343 Re: Not So Free Chat » Bush next four years agenda - Can he achieve his goals » 2004-11-10 13:52:59

Bush is having a little changing of the guard from his inner circle of cabinet members while, two other Cabinet officers, Agriculture Secretary Ann Veneman and Interior Secretary Gale Norton, have said they would like to remain on the job, as has Michael Leavitt, who as administrator of the Environmental Protection Agency has the equivalent of Cabinet status.

Attorney General John Ashcroft and Commerce Secretary Donald Evans resigned Tuesday

What other changes can we expect before the beginning of the new year when he is officially sworn in for another term of office.

#29344 Re: Water on Mars » Closer view of springs inside Endurance crater. » 2004-11-10 11:50:10

Did the rovers check out the form of salt or calcification that the light colored rock suggests or did they just by pass it all together as to not rock the boat on the water theories.

#29345 Re: Not So Free Chat » Any thoughts - on this. . . » 2004-11-10 11:45:24

The worst part about the red or blue state argument is that it can even carry over into the family household and as cindy noted it can be a very obstinet view of the candidates one of feelings rather than of actual facts.
My other half is pro democrat 100% and can see no good from any republican office even thou I can point out that my current job is of a direct result of a republican office. But on the flip side of that same coin she could argue that it was also because of a republican president that I had lost my last.
So I find it easier in some ways not to argue the feeling but to argue the facts instead. Which sometimes are very hard to decern from the media news reports.

#29346 Re: Space Policy » Space fairing Nations - The ever changing view » 2004-11-10 11:17:33

Yup was under the early project cancellation list as regards to the Space exploration vision, as not fitting into any of the needs for carrying it out.

I believe the next version of it was to be taken over by the air force in the x43-C. They were looking to use regular aviation fuels rather than the liquid Hydrogen under there program. I think that it will probably end up under Darpa control in the end run.

#29348 Re: Science, Technology, and Astronomy » Singularity - Black Holes, Gamma Rays, Magnetars, etc » 2004-11-10 10:30:30

Great stuff, had not read that far back on the thread.
We are getting closer every day to dating the universe by the light as seen though instruments such as Hubble and a few others. It would seem to me that since we are able to date the visible galaxies that we should also be able to date the black holes but I do not know how we could do so.

I guess the question I would have is how fast can matter form from an evenly spread out quantity into a black hole.
I would think that there would be some sort of in between state and that it would be of a very long time frame before condensing into them.

#29349 Re: Science, Technology, and Astronomy » Singularity - Black Holes, Gamma Rays, Magnetars, etc » 2004-11-10 09:29:11

The classic chicken or egg which came first.

If you believe that the big bang was that of a black hole exploding then that is the starting point but the question where did that black hole come? That would mean that one did not exist at some point in time.

If matter starts out evenly spread across all that we know as space. Then the question becomes one of what made it clump together to form all the heavenly bodies we now know?

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