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#29326 Re: Human missions » Might Shuttle C - save Hubble? » 2004-08-26 05:34:56

The eventual return to flight of the shuttle is progress though be at a snails pace.

Radar Test During Messenger Launch May Help "Return To Flight"
http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2004/au … _test.html

Snipet:
Radar tracking data gathered during the Delta II launch of the MESSENGER spacecraft earlier this month has provided promising results that may benefit NASA's Space Shuttle Program and Discovery's Return to Flight.

#29327 Re: Space Policy » Space fairing Nations - The ever changing view » 2004-08-26 05:30:34

The results of the Aldrigde Commissions report to Nasa and to the President for the Space Exploration Vision is still progressing with internal and external changes that effect America's space programs.

Mission may be lure at Marshall
Chief hopes planet probe attracts more research, scientists
http://www.al.com/news....850.xml

#29328 Re: Human missions » Post central for information on CEV - iformation station for the spacecraft » 2004-08-25 12:25:22

Found this link on an old topic on what to do with a shuttle when retired. I thought that it would be easy to implement.
Plus it would give more places to do science and give the private industry more reasons to start spending some cash on space to develope infrastruture to service them.

STS-Lab:  A Low Cost Shuttle-Derived Space Station

http://www.space-frontier.org/Project....tle.htm

#29329 Re: Human missions » Moon vs Mars? - What did President Bush intend? » 2004-08-25 11:49:27

On Mars, More Water From Pricey Plumbing
What do you do with all the waste on the long journey to Mars?
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/24/scien … 4mars.html

#29331 Re: Human missions » Post central for information on CEV - iformation station for the spacecraft » 2004-08-25 11:23:24

Just found this site with regards to the shuttle from an ex employee who has tried the chain of command inside nasa to make the vehicle safer with an escape pod.
http://www.nasaproblems.com/

fig40.jpg

#29332 Re: Human missions » Hubble mistake - Action needed » 2004-08-25 11:13:23

If I recall correctly there was some discussion on the safety margin for bring Hubble bad in the cargo bay of the shuttle fully intact. Not sure if this was a report or not. I feel to lessen that effect you might remove Items to lower the weight some, in order to increase the safety margin.

#29333 Re: Human missions » Kerry's position on space - any one know were Kerry stands » 2004-08-25 11:07:43

We will need to keep the media from pre-announcing state electorial status while polls are open for projected winners of each state.

#29334 Re: Human missions » Kerry's position on space - any one know were Kerry stands » 2004-08-25 10:46:59

Lawyer Advising Vets Quits Bush Campaign Presidential Elections. Benjamin Ginsberg has been advising Bush on the veterans group TV ads running against Democrat John Kerry resigned Wednesday from Bush's campaign.

It is starting to look more like a dead heet than an election.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm....up_bush

#29335 Re: Human missions » Hubble mistake - Action needed » 2004-08-25 10:37:40

Who says that you need a large telescope?

Small telescope reveals new planet
http://www.cnn.com/2004....ex.html

A tiny telescope has spotted a giant planet circling a faraway star, using a technique that could open a new phase of planetary discovery, scientists said Tuesday.
The small telescope with a 4-inch diameter -- about the size that some backyard astronomers might use -- tracked the periodic dimming of light from a bright star 500 light-years away that found this latest planet is part of a network of modest instruments called the Trans-Atlantic Exoplanet Survey, known as TrES.

#29336 Re: Space Policy » Space fairing Nations - The ever changing view » 2004-08-25 10:32:17

Japan Plans to Launch Spy Satellites
Report Says Japanese Space Panel Approves Plan to Launch Spy Satellites in 2005-2006

Snipet:
A Japanese government panel has approved plans to send two spy satellites into Earth's orbit beginning next year, a media report said Wednesday.
If confirmed, the missions would be the first since late 2003 for Japan's ailing space program, which has suffered a slew of launch and mission failures.

http://abcnews.go.com/wire/World/ap20040825_903.html

#29337 Re: Human missions » China The Dominant Superpower In 20 Years..... - What does this mean for US? » 2004-08-25 10:27:40

The US-China space cooperation In this week's issue of The Space Review, Taylor Dinerman discusses the potential for cooperation between the US and China on space issues.
Forum topic discusion on this web site:

http://www.spacepolitics.com/

#29338 Re: Human missions » Cheap heavy launcher - can it be done at all » 2004-08-25 10:22:03

25 August 2004: Long Arm of Foreign Policy,

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/ar … Aug24.html
Washington Post

"Also off the table is the possibility of buying Soyuz spacecraft through intermediaries or negotiating a new barter agreement. Deputy Assistant Secretary of State Steven Pifer told Congress last year that such tactics "would likely be viewed by many as an evasion of the law." NASA is pursuing the possibility that additional Soyuz might be available under the existing agreement, which authorizes the United States and Russia to trade goods and services "for the life of the station," but it is far from clear whether this wording would admit Soyuz purchases beyond the original 11."

#29339 Re: Human missions » Post central for information on CEV - iformation station for the spacecraft » 2004-08-25 10:13:53

Apollo Inspires New Moon Rockets, two teams at the National Aeronautics and Space Administration are studying booster rocket design concepts.

One team, assembled by the space agency's Exploration Directorate, has been examining rocket designs from the top down, according to Michael Lembeck, who heads the directorate's Requirements Division.

Second team at NASA's Launch Services group is conducting a bottoms-up review, meaning the services group, which purchases launch vehicles for NASA missions and payloads, is accumulating background on and analyses of all available U.S. boosters and their capabilities.

http://www.spacedaily.com/news/rocketscience-04x.html

#29340 Re: Human missions » Rocket Business model for shuttle delta IV atlasV - and others good or bad » 2004-08-25 10:13:03

Apollo Inspires New Moon Rockets, two teams at the National Aeronautics and Space Administration are studying booster rocket design concepts.

One team, assembled by the space agency's Exploration Directorate, has been examining rocket designs from the top down, according to Michael Lembeck, who heads the directorate's Requirements Division.

Second team at NASA's Launch Services group is conducting a bottoms-up review, meaning the services group, which purchases launch vehicles for NASA missions and payloads, is accumulating background on and analyses of all available U.S. boosters and their capabilities.

http://www.spacedaily.com/news/rocketscience-04x.html

#29341 Re: Human missions » Cheap heavy launcher - can it be done at all » 2004-08-25 10:12:31

Apollo Inspires New Moon Rockets, two teams at the National Aeronautics and Space Administration are studying booster rocket design concepts.

One team, assembled by the space agency's Exploration Directorate, has been examining rocket designs from the top down, according to Michael Lembeck, who heads the directorate's Requirements Division.

Second team at NASA's Launch Services group is conducting a bottoms-up review, meaning the services group, which purchases launch vehicles for NASA missions and payloads, is accumulating background on and analyses of all available U.S. boosters and their capabilities.

http://www.spacedaily.com/news/rocketscience-04x.html

#29342 Re: Human missions » Hubble mistake - Action needed » 2004-08-25 09:42:48

Here also the other side of the coin for space telescopes.

Hawaiians speak out against Mauna Kea telescope project
http://www.usatoday.com/tech....s_x.htm

#29343 Re: Human missions » Hubble mistake - Action needed » 2004-08-25 09:38:28

Speaking of space telescope have we forgotten that we have the Spitzer infrared unit.
http://www.spitzer.caltech.edu/

The pictures:
The telescope gathers infrared light, an invisible form of electromagnetic radiation associated with heat. It allows astronomers to see through layers of dust, which block visible light, and detect heat emitted by deeply embedded dust around myriad cosmic objects. The heat is infrared energy on the electromagnetic spectrum between the wavelengths of 3 and 180 microns. Much like the JWST will do just a different size band of frequencies or wave lengths.

Cape-launched telescope offers a galactic glimpse
Spitzer eyes infrared part of spectrum
http://www.flatoday.com/news....ZER.htm

082504spitzer1.jpg

#29344 Re: Human missions » Hubble mistake - Action needed » 2004-08-25 08:09:29

So you are willing to throw away any item that you own that is say the age of HUBBLE because there are new stuff out there...

Usually the task for a telescope does change when new ones come out, they just start looking for different stuff usually closer to home.

The Near Infrared Camera (NIRCam) will be the primary JWST imager in the wavelength range of 0.6 to 5 microns.

This is just near the visible light band for red is which .635 microns while the other colors are smaller.

The Hubble also has the Near Infrared Camera and Multi-Object Spectrometer (NICMOS) provides imaging capabilities in broad, medium, and narrow band filters, broad-band imaging polarimetry, coronographic imaging, and slitless grism spectroscopy, in the wavelength range 0.8-2.5 microns.
While it also has the Wide Field Planetary Camera which is visble light.

#29345 Re: Human missions » The need for a Moon direct - and sustainabilty program » 2004-08-25 07:36:02

Well here is the solar cell resource reference that you just described. Some great graphics also.

http://www.spaceagepub.com/pdfs/Ignatiev.pdf

http://science.nasa.gov/newhome/headlin … tovolt.pdf

Lots of chemical equations,
http://www.asi.org/adb/02/08/solar-cell-production.html

It would also be a good bit of science to create such an experiment while in orbit on the ISS. Sending up sample bags of soil combination possibilities and running the experiment on a platform while in space suits if human contact is needed to make it run or from remote link with lots of cameras in the vacuum of space. Also a gas collection system should be devised to gather any chemical discharge while heating the soils.

#29346 Re: Human missions » Hubble mistake - Action needed » 2004-08-25 05:50:24

The other problem with this mission is that though the robotic craft will be outfitted with cameras there is no way to dock softly with Hubble since there is no distance beacons to gauge distance with. Also the end has only on direction that it could lock into in order to couple power and other control features into Hubble.

#29347 Re: Human missions » China The Dominant Superpower In 20 Years..... - What does this mean for US? » 2004-08-25 05:45:28

You are welcome deagleninja.
A lot of the old cold war additudes and justifications are fading with time as more nations begin there own trips towards freedom and democracy in some form or another. Cooperation is the key to this continual growth of freindship and of trust as we move forward into the space age.

#29348 Re: Human missions » Opening space to Individual or private industry - Space CHASE Act » 2004-08-25 05:43:21

Very nicely put in Earth Patriotism above all else when it comes to space.

A lot of the old cold war additudes and justifications are fading with time as more nations begin there own trips towards freedom and democracy in some form or another. Cooperation is the key to this continual growth of freindship and of trust as we move forward into the space age.

#29349 Re: Human missions » The need for a Moon direct - and sustainabilty program » 2004-08-25 05:35:36

Only problem from the American side is that Nasa can not pay for any Russian equipment.

But a Privately own organization or business could if it could make a profit by doing so.

Nasa needs high density maps and Radar imaging or sensing of resources such as water in addition to other minerals. Why not sell the data back to Nasa.

What else would Nasa need to get man back on the Moon?
Not only doing science but staying longer than a few days on the surface, what will the need?

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