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#29201 Re: Unmanned probes » Mars steerable parachute » 2004-08-24 07:00:46
If it were a typical private industry they would be making this with no contracts as a commodity to sell to Nasa.
#29202 Re: Human missions » Hubble mistake - Action needed » 2004-08-24 06:54:39
So I guess based on cost of save or replace Hubble, Replace is probably of lower cost.
But how soon could it be done? What other enhancements would be added to make a better optically designed telescope for space?
Of course using what has already been built for hubble for replacement parts to keep the cost even lower is a must.
Placing the new Hubble 2 into the same location and giving a much smaller and simpler deobit control stage for the old hubble to be brought down safely with.
#29203 Re: Human missions » Opening space to Individual or private industry - Space CHASE Act » 2004-08-24 06:38:12
Space organization policies and UN like assemblies are not a bad thing if it has the authority to enforce the Laws or rules governing space activity. But what are the consiquences of breaking the law or of who will pass judgement, who is it's armed forces or police to make this happen.
This is one of the reasons why the UN does not work in and of its self is the control of power to control or enforce laws is watered down and is not strong enough.
#29204 Re: Human missions » The need for a Moon direct - and sustainabilty program » 2004-08-24 06:31:04
So basically since the only place a shuttle will and continue to go into orbit is at the ISS. Then this is like turning the ISS into a command post, Launch site and missions build area for rocket launches to anywhere.
The only problem is how slow Nasa designs and moves, Retirement of the shuttle by 2010 and lack of funding to create that portion of what I would call the mini CEV unmanned.
#29205 Re: Human missions » Funding human missions - Lets chat basics » 2004-08-24 06:22:32
Here is a question, can a federal agency create funds from selling or from the creation of items to sell?
IMO They are probably prohibited from doing so. So how then can Nasa get the needed funds when the source keeps drying up in congress.
If Nasa is a subsidized private organization then probably it would get even less funding from the congress and would need a whole lot more inventive ways to raise the capitol for such exploratory ventures.
We have the ISS in orbit what better place than to try out how to make a profit from making raw materials into something useful.
Science is great but it does not pay the bills unless it can create something that the customer wants.
#29206 Re: Life support systems » Glass » 2004-08-23 20:50:51
Sounds like both processes would be useful on the Moon and on Mars due to Mineral oxide rich soils on both.
Not quite from Star Trek where the tank is made of such stuff but close enough.
Alumina in the clear
A new method of preparing bulk volumes of alumina-based glasses and nanoscale glass-ceramics is reported this week.
http://www.nature.com/nature/links/040812/040812-6.html
Glass breakthrough
Anatoly Rosenflanz and colleagues at 3M in Minnesota used a "flame-spray" technique to alloy alumina (aluminium oxide) with rare-earth metal oxides to produce strong glass with good optical properties. The method avoids many of the problems encountered in conventional glass forming and could, say the team, be extended to other oxides.
http://physicsweb.org/article/news/8/8/9
#29207 Re: Interplanetary transportation » Da Vinci in the Running - Let the Space Race Begin! » 2004-08-23 13:21:08
Then on the other side of the coin for Human the
Da Vinci rocket pilot faces real dangers.
http://www.canada.com/saskato....2ae54ca
Sophisticated aerodynamics, physics and engineering will propel Brian Feeney's attempt at the world's first private space mission, but these measures won't eliminate the danger of his planned launch from Kindersley and subsequent return to Earth.
#29208 Re: Space Policy » Space fairing Nations - The ever changing view » 2004-08-23 13:10:04
What I find most interesting is the two stage to orbit that I had posted earlier. Can they really pull off a new design before the US CEV.
#29209 Re: Human missions » The need for a Moon direct - and sustainabilty program » 2004-08-23 13:06:57
The worst part of this delay is the lost years before making the first step. Which in this case is re-invention of the space crafts of old that have already been there and done that. But now we are forced to enhance or new design a craft to do the same but still keep the cost done to a roar.
#29210 Re: Science, Technology, and Astronomy » Masten, new contender in the RLV market - Looks at DC-X an RVT as inspiration. » 2004-08-23 11:46:18
Da Vinci rocket pilot faces real dangers
http://www.canada.com/saskato....2ae54ca
Sophisticated aerodynamics, physics and engineering will propel Brian Feeney's attempt at the world's first private space mission, but these measures won't eliminate the danger of his planned launch from Kindersley and subsequent return to Earth.
#29211 Re: Interplanetary transportation » Da Vinci in the Running - Let the Space Race Begin! » 2004-08-23 11:43:38
Dangers in launch: Saskatoon potential target should rocket stray
http://www.canada.com/saskato....c7e9657
The da Vinci Project team, which is poised to launch a manned rocket from Kindersley in October, may be in for a rude awakening -- and Saskatoon should be prepared in the event the rocket becomes a missile, says a University of Saskatchewan physicist.
#29212 Re: Human missions » Hubble mistake - Action needed » 2004-08-23 11:40:53
So we can find small amounts of funding when Nasa feels the need.
Mars Odyssey to voyage into future
NASA's Mars Odyssey mission, originally scheduled to end on Tuesday, has been granted a stay of execution until at least September 2006, reveal NASA scientists.
#29213 Re: Life support systems » Glass » 2004-08-23 11:30:16
Formulars for making glass from Sand.
#29214 Re: Science, Technology, and Astronomy » ISS cutbacks » 2004-08-23 11:23:06
So we actually want to do science on the ISS. What ever happened to all the science that has been conducted thus far?
This is probably old but what ever happened to it, Russian Scientists to Send Newts, Crawfish and Snails to Space.
#29215 Re: Human missions » Hubble mistake - Action needed » 2004-08-23 11:18:04
Short of finding creative ways to fund the rescue operation in what ever form it will eventually take. Nasa needs a new way of generating funds for all space programs seperate form the congress controlled budgeting down sizing that always seems to accompany any new goals. Sponsored ads on the side of any Delta or Atlas.
#29216 Re: Life support systems » Glass » 2004-08-23 11:03:21
What, did I see real science for the ISS in the form of a construction materials in situ processing concept. No way building from what you have rather than hauling it from Earth to where ever. Not aboard the science only ISS.
Yes I am being synical but we can do better with infrastruture building if we would only use what is available as is mentioned by doing this research into build materials to be use.
Such as reusing anything and every thing that is ever brought up to the ISS.
Re-use the proton cargo ship for something other than a dumpster. I am sure all the electronics and even the capsule could be made into additional temporary compartments for other experiments.
#29217 Re: Unmanned probes » Mars steerable parachute » 2004-08-23 10:19:55
What I find even funnier is how the Genesis spacecraft is coming back to Earth for retrival.
#29218 Re: Life support systems » Long Term Health Effects - Life on a low grav, rusty planet » 2004-08-23 09:26:31
A space traveller’s dream of one day holidaying on Mars might sound appealing, but it would be a one-way-trip.
Not only would it take years to reach the Red Planet but our bones, muscles and joints would crumble under gravity on return to Earth.
Mars holiday, a pricey bonecruncher
http://www.uq.edu.au/news/index.phtml?article=5831
Rather than coming directly to Earth maybe use the Iss as a kind of decompression station like for the bends in divers. Allowing for close doctor like care while re-abiliting the Astronauts that would go to Mars in the far off future.
#29219 Re: Space Policy » Space fairing Nations - The ever changing view » 2004-08-23 09:20:39
Press release: CHAND NAGAR’ – AN INDIAN DESIGN FOR MOON
The Indian team topped the contest entitled Space Settlement Competition. The team assigned Request for Proposal (RFP) with an assumption that they were contractors in the year 2029, applying for a contract to build a settlement on Moon.
This is what US space agency NASA’s plan is. And to make it a reality our own Indian students from Patiala (Punjab) have given a plan to NASA, which has been selected during a world level competition held at Kennedy Space Centre, Florida from July 16 to 19, 2004.
#29220 Re: Human missions » China The Dominant Superpower In 20 Years..... - What does this mean for US? » 2004-08-23 08:27:38
Just another one of those changing land scape items.
Dancing on eggs: US space cooperation with China
http://www.thespacereview.com/article/212/1
#29221 Re: Space Policy » Space fairing Nations - The ever changing view » 2004-08-23 08:24:38
Just another one of those changing landscape items.
Dancing on eggs: US space cooperation with China
http://www.thespacereview.com/article/212/1
#29222 Re: Science, Technology, and Astronomy » Rutan's SpaceShipTwo! - one passenger, orbital... » 2004-08-23 08:22:57
On the note of a single pilot or in automated no pilot needed here is an article from the spacereview.
Alighting the pilot
http://www.thespacereview.com/article/211/1
#29223 Re: Not So Free Chat » first terraformers would need first aid - would YOU be any good ai it? » 2004-08-23 08:14:25
Was the need for first aid even a consideration for when we did Apollo and the lunar landings. Barely a bandaid was given do to the weight reductions need to be made for the changes in scientific equipment that was brought each time we went there.
Knowledge of how to and what is available to do the job are different issues.
#29224 Re: Space Policy » Space fairing Nations - The ever changing view » 2004-08-23 08:07:54
NASA Issues Additional Requests for Information
in Response to U.S. Space Exploration Policy Report
Responses to NASA Special Notice: Transforming the Private Sector Role in Space Operations
http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewsr.html?pid=13736
Very lengthy report.
#29225 Re: Human missions » MarsDirect or Mars Sustained ? » 2004-08-23 07:45:28
I found this reference with regards to Humans 2 Mars lots of links and details.
http://www.swri.org/swim/human2mars.htm
Topics:
Mission Designs:
Overview
NASA: 90 Day Report (1989)
Mars Society: Mars Direct (1990 - current)
NASA: Mars Reference Mission (1997 - current)
Alternatives, Areas for Improvement, Critiques
Primary Mission Goals:
Water - Where was it, Where is it? ( current Mars Odyssey water map )
Search for Life
Mars Geology
Engineering Needs:
Artificial Gravity:
Biosphere Closure, Habitat (CELSS)
Communications
Navigation
Radiation Shielding
Fuel Generation
Power Generation
Marssuit Design
Rover Design
Human Factors:
Medical Issues
Crew Isolation Studies
Command Structure, Autonomy Studies
Living and Working on Mars
Speculation Corner - Other Links
Mission Designs:
Overview
White House Press Release, 1/15/2004
MarsNews: Humans to Mars
Romance to Reality
NASA Mars Missions (Robotic) - Past, Present, Future
NASA's Human Exploration of Mars Web Site
NASA: 90 Day Report (1989)
Summary
Analysis
Mars Society: Mars Direct (1990 - current)
Mars Direct Basic Plan
Mars Direct Supplemental Info
NASA: Mars Reference Mission Version 1.0 (1997 - 1999)
Reference Mission: Table of Contents
Reference Mission: Part 1
Reference Mission: Part 2
Reference Mission: Part 3
Reference Mission: HTML Version, 2009 Baseline
NASA: Mars Reference Mission Version 3.0 (1999 - current)
Summary of Version 3.0
Alternatives, Areas for Improvement, Critiques
Lockheed Martin (very little info online)
2002 NASA plan
Primary Mission Goals:
Water - Where was it, Where is it?
Space.com: Mars Odyssey's search for subterranean water
Space.com: Mars Odyssey's preliminary detection of hydrogen
Current Mars Odyssey water map
Search for Life
Space.com: Life signs detection, contamination, back contamination
NRC study on back contamination, other remote hazards, and POSSIBLE SwIM RESEARCH IDEAS!!
Mars Geology, Climate
Mars Global Thermal Inertia Map (Mellon et al, 2002)
Nature: The Crust and Mantle of Mars (Maria Zuber)
ABC News: Possible radical climate shifts on Mars
Engineering Needs:
Artificial Gravity
Mars Society Translife Project , MIT
Translife Project: Phase 1 review documents (3/7/02)
Translife article
1960's - 1980's Artificial Gravity Research (Theodore W. Hall)
Biosphere Closure, Habitat (CELSS)
Purdue University NSCORT project (NASA press release)
Biosphere 2
Example educational project - cute idea
Greenhouses (CU project)
Communications
Interplanetary Internet (IPNSIG)
Navigation
NASA-JPL: "Pork Chop" plots
Radiation Shielding
Reinforced Linear Polyethelene hull shielding (NASA)
Demron fabric (Radiation Shield Technologies, Inc.)
Mars Bars: in-situ radiation shielding
Regolith shielding - NASA
NASA Mars Odyssey instrument: MARIE
Mars Society Youth Chapters: in flight radiation hazard
CSA radiation study on ISS
Radiation Nanodetectors
Fuel Generation
Pioneer Astronautics Mars projects, in-situ fuel generation, etc (note: METAMARS !)
Power Generation
NASA Center for Space Power
Marssuit Design
Hamilton Sunstrand Systems Mars Spacesuit
ILC Dover (no info)
David Clark Company (minimal info)
SSOAR
Chameleon Suit (Sunstrand)
Rover Design
NASA-JPL: Inflatable Rovers , Tumbleweed rover
Human Factors:
Medical Issues
Immune cell function supression
Crew Isolation Studies
Europe: (ISEMSI, EXEMSI)
Russia: Institute of Medical and Biological Problems (HUBES, SFINCSS studies, issues )
Canada: (Capsules)
NASA
Command Structure, Autonomy Studies
Flashline Mars Arctic Research Station (FMARS)
Mars Society Desert Research Station
Living and Working on Mars
Human/Robotic Teamwork: Robonaut
NASA Cliff-bot rover
Flashline Mars Arctic Research Station (FMARS) , space.com on FMARS
Mars Society Desert Research Station , Wall Street Journal on MDRS
Speculation Corner - Other Links of Interest:
NASA: Valles Marineris rendered flyover photos - incredible!
Space.com: Lunar/Mars mining, in-situ resource usage
Microgravity Health/Psychology Concerns (space.com)
Amazon.com: Dead Mars, Dying Earth
NASA Public Opinion Survey: 1/31/02
Humans to Mars? Not any time soon......
Marscase: Mars info site
Encyclopedia Astronautica
Lunar and Planetary Institute
Popular Science - What NASA's goals should be
Space Shuttle CAIB report
Summary of 2003 COMPLEX Report
SwIM Home Boulder Office Home SwRI Home DoSS Homepage