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#29176 Re: Human missions » Cheap heavy launcher - can it be done at all » 2004-08-25 10:22:03

25 August 2004: Long Arm of Foreign Policy,

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/ar … Aug24.html
Washington Post

"Also off the table is the possibility of buying Soyuz spacecraft through intermediaries or negotiating a new barter agreement. Deputy Assistant Secretary of State Steven Pifer told Congress last year that such tactics "would likely be viewed by many as an evasion of the law." NASA is pursuing the possibility that additional Soyuz might be available under the existing agreement, which authorizes the United States and Russia to trade goods and services "for the life of the station," but it is far from clear whether this wording would admit Soyuz purchases beyond the original 11."

#29177 Re: Human missions » Post central for information on CEV - iformation station for the spacecraft » 2004-08-25 10:13:53

Apollo Inspires New Moon Rockets, two teams at the National Aeronautics and Space Administration are studying booster rocket design concepts.

One team, assembled by the space agency's Exploration Directorate, has been examining rocket designs from the top down, according to Michael Lembeck, who heads the directorate's Requirements Division.

Second team at NASA's Launch Services group is conducting a bottoms-up review, meaning the services group, which purchases launch vehicles for NASA missions and payloads, is accumulating background on and analyses of all available U.S. boosters and their capabilities.

http://www.spacedaily.com/news/rocketscience-04x.html

#29178 Re: Human missions » Rocket Business model for shuttle delta IV atlasV - and others good or bad » 2004-08-25 10:13:03

Apollo Inspires New Moon Rockets, two teams at the National Aeronautics and Space Administration are studying booster rocket design concepts.

One team, assembled by the space agency's Exploration Directorate, has been examining rocket designs from the top down, according to Michael Lembeck, who heads the directorate's Requirements Division.

Second team at NASA's Launch Services group is conducting a bottoms-up review, meaning the services group, which purchases launch vehicles for NASA missions and payloads, is accumulating background on and analyses of all available U.S. boosters and their capabilities.

http://www.spacedaily.com/news/rocketscience-04x.html

#29179 Re: Human missions » Cheap heavy launcher - can it be done at all » 2004-08-25 10:12:31

Apollo Inspires New Moon Rockets, two teams at the National Aeronautics and Space Administration are studying booster rocket design concepts.

One team, assembled by the space agency's Exploration Directorate, has been examining rocket designs from the top down, according to Michael Lembeck, who heads the directorate's Requirements Division.

Second team at NASA's Launch Services group is conducting a bottoms-up review, meaning the services group, which purchases launch vehicles for NASA missions and payloads, is accumulating background on and analyses of all available U.S. boosters and their capabilities.

http://www.spacedaily.com/news/rocketscience-04x.html

#29180 Re: Human missions » Hubble mistake - Action needed » 2004-08-25 09:42:48

Here also the other side of the coin for space telescopes.

Hawaiians speak out against Mauna Kea telescope project
http://www.usatoday.com/tech....s_x.htm

#29181 Re: Human missions » Hubble mistake - Action needed » 2004-08-25 09:38:28

Speaking of space telescope have we forgotten that we have the Spitzer infrared unit.
http://www.spitzer.caltech.edu/

The pictures:
The telescope gathers infrared light, an invisible form of electromagnetic radiation associated with heat. It allows astronomers to see through layers of dust, which block visible light, and detect heat emitted by deeply embedded dust around myriad cosmic objects. The heat is infrared energy on the electromagnetic spectrum between the wavelengths of 3 and 180 microns. Much like the JWST will do just a different size band of frequencies or wave lengths.

Cape-launched telescope offers a galactic glimpse
Spitzer eyes infrared part of spectrum
http://www.flatoday.com/news....ZER.htm

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#29182 Re: Human missions » Hubble mistake - Action needed » 2004-08-25 08:09:29

So you are willing to throw away any item that you own that is say the age of HUBBLE because there are new stuff out there...

Usually the task for a telescope does change when new ones come out, they just start looking for different stuff usually closer to home.

The Near Infrared Camera (NIRCam) will be the primary JWST imager in the wavelength range of 0.6 to 5 microns.

This is just near the visible light band for red is which .635 microns while the other colors are smaller.

The Hubble also has the Near Infrared Camera and Multi-Object Spectrometer (NICMOS) provides imaging capabilities in broad, medium, and narrow band filters, broad-band imaging polarimetry, coronographic imaging, and slitless grism spectroscopy, in the wavelength range 0.8-2.5 microns.
While it also has the Wide Field Planetary Camera which is visble light.

#29183 Re: Human missions » The need for a Moon direct - and sustainabilty program » 2004-08-25 07:36:02

Well here is the solar cell resource reference that you just described. Some great graphics also.

http://www.spaceagepub.com/pdfs/Ignatiev.pdf

http://science.nasa.gov/newhome/headlin … tovolt.pdf

Lots of chemical equations,
http://www.asi.org/adb/02/08/solar-cell-production.html

It would also be a good bit of science to create such an experiment while in orbit on the ISS. Sending up sample bags of soil combination possibilities and running the experiment on a platform while in space suits if human contact is needed to make it run or from remote link with lots of cameras in the vacuum of space. Also a gas collection system should be devised to gather any chemical discharge while heating the soils.

#29184 Re: Human missions » Hubble mistake - Action needed » 2004-08-25 05:50:24

The other problem with this mission is that though the robotic craft will be outfitted with cameras there is no way to dock softly with Hubble since there is no distance beacons to gauge distance with. Also the end has only on direction that it could lock into in order to couple power and other control features into Hubble.

#29185 Re: Human missions » China The Dominant Superpower In 20 Years..... - What does this mean for US? » 2004-08-25 05:45:28

You are welcome deagleninja.
A lot of the old cold war additudes and justifications are fading with time as more nations begin there own trips towards freedom and democracy in some form or another. Cooperation is the key to this continual growth of freindship and of trust as we move forward into the space age.

#29186 Re: Human missions » Opening space to Individual or private industry - Space CHASE Act » 2004-08-25 05:43:21

Very nicely put in Earth Patriotism above all else when it comes to space.

A lot of the old cold war additudes and justifications are fading with time as more nations begin there own trips towards freedom and democracy in some form or another. Cooperation is the key to this continual growth of freindship and of trust as we move forward into the space age.

#29187 Re: Human missions » The need for a Moon direct - and sustainabilty program » 2004-08-25 05:35:36

Only problem from the American side is that Nasa can not pay for any Russian equipment.

But a Privately own organization or business could if it could make a profit by doing so.

Nasa needs high density maps and Radar imaging or sensing of resources such as water in addition to other minerals. Why not sell the data back to Nasa.

What else would Nasa need to get man back on the Moon?
Not only doing science but staying longer than a few days on the surface, what will the need?

#29189 Re: Martian Politics and Economy » New Euthenia and the Rule of 150 - Maintaining Social Cohesion on Mars » 2004-08-24 13:27:30

Small numbers in any early colony is more a matter of resources versus hardship if over population is introduced within a small regional area. This leads to crime.

#29190 Re: Planetary transportation » Airplanes on Mars » 2004-08-24 12:47:49

There was a university with a scout mission that had a plane that inflated and would have the wings set hard due to epoxy that uv cured. But that mission was dropped from those that were still in the running at that time.

#29191 Re: Human missions » The need for a Moon direct - and sustainabilty program » 2004-08-24 11:27:26

We know that a mere 20 million would be enough to purchase one but now how would you get it though customers, though all the other regulations and such... Could they instead build to order a stripped out unit and allow for customization of it on or near the launch site.

#29192 Re: Water on Mars » How water flows on Mars - A Future Experiment » 2004-08-24 11:13:24

With martian temperatures in the minus most of the time it would most likely be salt water, warmed and probably the experiment could only be done at the equator.

One only needs to look close at adjacent large rocks to see the silt between to know that water did flow.

#29193 Re: Interplanetary transportation » Da Vinci in the Running - Let the Space Race Begin! » 2004-08-24 10:48:58

Though not about Da Vinci it is about the xprize and being inovative for finaincing of there project.

Snipet:
Space leftovers for sale:
Rocket science is a dirty, messy business, as amply illustrated by this month's space-race mishaps involving Space Transport Corp. and Armadillo Aerospace. But in this age of Internet commerce, even when the rocket goes to pieces, the scraps don't necessarily go to waste.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3217961/

#29194 Re: Human missions » The need for a Moon direct - and sustainabilty program » 2004-08-24 10:45:51

I think that was Lunar corp.  with radio shack as a sponsor for such a mission?

#29195 Re: Human missions » Clunking to Mars - Are the needed parts already up there? » 2004-08-24 10:40:19

While AI is a must in any rovers or robot we send to the moon or to Mars it sure would pay if we could meld the two together.
040823_robonaut-mars_bcol.standard.jpg

#29196 Re: Human missions » Master of AI » 2004-08-24 10:37:56

Follow up story on Robonaut.
NASA’s Robonaut finally gets its ‘legs’
Second-generation android uses wheels or adapter
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5798085/

040823_robonaut-segway.vlarge.jpg

#29197 Re: Human missions » Hubble mistake - Action needed » 2004-08-24 10:36:04

Backyard telescope helps find new planet
4-inch instrument detects world 500 light-years away

snipet:
With the help of a modified backyard telescope, astronomers have discovered a giant planet orbiting another star. It is the first extrasolar world found with such modest equipment.

Hubble might find water in TrES-1, and the telescope would "give us a much more precise measurement of the planet's size, and even allow us to search for moons.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5807650/

#29198 Re: Planetary transportation » baloon launcher - Cheap way to get to space » 2004-08-24 10:29:14

NASA to Use Sweden Balloon Launch Area
NASA to Use Sweden Facility to Launch Scientific Balloons, Prompting Expansion of Property

snipet:
Already a leading launch area for scientific balloons in northern Europe, operations at Sweden's Esrange launch facility will expand next year with NASA's decision to use it for launches of its largest scientific balloons, a spokesman said Tuesday.

http://abcnews.go.com/wire/World/ap20040824_777.html

#29200 Re: Science, Technology, and Astronomy » ISS cutbacks » 2004-08-24 07:19:46

Columbus: European Laboratory
http://www.esa.int/export/esaHS/ESAFRG0VMOC_iss_0.html
Experiment stations proposed for module.

Fluid Science Laboratory
European Physiology Modules (EPM)
BIOLAB: Biological Experiment laboratory
European Drawer Rack (EDR) Multi-discipline flexible carrier
Material Science Laboratory Electromagnetic Levitator (MSL-EML)
Columbuscutawayview.jpg

Japanese ISS Module
Experiment Module (JEM) "KIBO"
http://www.jaxa.jp/missions/projects/is … dex_e.html
Centrifuge Project is a laboratory for conducting gravitational biology research
http://www.jaxa.jp/missions/projects/is … dex_e.html
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