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#28777 Re: Unmanned probes » Cassini-Huygens *2* - ...more Saturn/Titan... » 2005-01-14 08:51:48

European Space Agency Cassini-Huygens home page and the Nasa page only have the atmosphere of Titan entry information, nothing new on these sites.

#28778 Re: Unmanned probes » Cassini-Huygens *2* - ...more Saturn/Titan... » 2005-01-14 08:18:01

Yes I'm here just awaiting for images as well. :band:

#28779 Re: Not So Free Chat » Alternative Space ventures - are we on the road to cheaper access » 2005-01-14 08:15:48

Bezos offers glimpse into space project

At the end of February, the first rocket produced by SpaceX, started by PayPal founder Elon Musk, will launch and deploy a military satellite into orbit. John Carmack, founder of video game company ID Software, created Armadillo Aerospace in hopes of launching his own brand of rockets into outer space.

Just think of all the jobs this could create.  big_smile

#28780 Re: Human missions » Return to flight slipping » 2005-01-14 07:55:32

NASA safety measure falls short

The repair kit for the next shuttle mission might not fix a problem the size of Columbia's.Months before NASA resumes space shuttle missions, program managers concluded Thursday that Discovery astronauts will have to rely on an experimental repair kit that may not fix the kind of damage that doomed Columbia.

Shuttle engineers acknowledged difficulties late last year with a caulk-like substance used to fill in gouges in the shuttle's soft silica tiles. The substance produced air pockets in simulated flight conditions.

Columbia was downed by a breach of six to 10 inches in the carbon composite material lining a vulnerable region of the wing. At best, Discovery astronauts could fill cracks or patch holes no larger than four inches.

Fire strikes KSC building Second blaze in 2 months forces evacuation of VAB

What happenned the first time:
Workers accidentally started a fire in the building on Dec. 2 while they were testing techniques for spraying foam insulation on shuttle external tanks.

Cape Canaveral Fire breaks out on roof of space center

The small blaze began atop one of the building's low bays, where roofers were doing work with a blowtorch and tar

#28781 Re: Not So Free Chat » Alternative Space ventures - are we on the road to cheaper access » 2005-01-14 06:42:39

We all the that when Space Ship One was viewed as little more than a toy not capable of achieving the limits for the xprize and some of us got fooled by is appearance. Some would say that the Falcon is also to small and that kistler will never be anything but given the chance they just might IMO.

The space game has had little but the giants for the industry which as we all know costs big bucks...

The alternate space endeavors are all working with limited funding, tons of regulations and not much else other than a dream.

Space ships one success has lead to virgon taking a chance to change the design of space ship one into something a kin to the 0 G sub orbit tourism effort, while others are still shooting for the stars.

Recent legislation has changed some aspects of getting into the game but for others IMO it may have done more harm then good.

Another has now taken up the challenge in that Amazon founder unveils space center plans The Bezos’ Blue Origin venture
will build a West Texas rocket facility.

After years of work behind closed doors, Amazon.com founder Jeff Bezos has gone public with a plan to build a suborbital space facility on a sprawling ranch under the wide open skies of West Texas.

Details of Bezos' plan were first reported in this week's edition of the Van Horn Advocate, the community's newspaper, and confirmed Thursday by Blue Origin spokesman Bruce Hicks.

Other private space ventures have a more accelerated timetable: Branson, for example, plans to start offering suborbital rides in the next three years or so, most likely from the Mojave Airport in California. That facility, which served as SpaceShipOne's base, has already received its FAA launch site license.

Time will tell where all of this leads but I hope it someday will give more of us access to forefill our dreams of space travel or of colonization.

Amazon CEO gives us peek into space plans

Amazon CEO chooses nowhere for space program

Ansari x prize

TEAM NEWS
X PRIZE INTERORBITAL SYSTEMS TEAM CONTINUES TO REACH FOR THE STARS
October 18, 2004

TEAM STC TO CONTINUE BUILDING ROCKET
October 12, 2004

Watch the WINNING X PRIZE Flight! On your computer.
October 4, 2004


FOUNDATION NEWS
X PRIZE FOUNDATION ELECTS TO BOARD OF TRUSTEES
January 12, 2005

Congress Passes Space Tourism Bill
December 9, 2004

X Prize Winners Take Their Victory Dance
November 9, 2004

#28782 Re: Unmanned probes » Opportunity & Spirit **8** - ...More... » 2005-01-13 14:38:17

I saw this in some thread today about Opportunity Spots Curious Object On Mars

NASA’s Opportunity Mars rover has come across an interesting object -- perhaps a meteorite sitting out in the open at Meridiani Planum. Initial data taken by the robot’s Mini-Thermal Emission Spectrometer (Mini-TES) is suggestive that the odd-looking “rock” is made of metal.

Sort of was my first impression as well when I saw the photo earlier today. Would sure love to have sample return capability right now with these rovers.

#28783 Re: Not So Free Chat » More on Global Warming - This is interesting... » 2005-01-13 14:11:10

If true then do not cut back on the deisel engine exhaust, soot, black smoke.... cool burning fire places and other...
Then if we need to warm the place up cut back on the exhaust outputs and turn on the air filtration system to clear up the smog...

#28784 Re: Human missions » Return to flight slipping » 2005-01-13 12:13:03

Naswatch:

Endeavour Maintenance Slips
Editor's note: According to NASA sources, tomorrow (13 Jan) the PRCB will be told that OV-105 (Endeavour) maintenance will not be completed in time to support the STS-117 launch. A schedule slip of approximately 4 months will be identified.  KSC has adjusted its resources to support preparation of OV-103 (Discovery) and OV-104 (Atlantis) for flight and is going to go a 24/7 schedule to support the STS-114/STS-300 Rescue missions and STS-121.  In addition, charts will be presented at the PRCB suggesting a waiver of the 3 year period between major maintenance overhauls for OV-104 so as to allow more flights to compensate for the lack of a flight-ready OV-105.

KSC news release last status page

Main return to flight Page

No indication from this status date 1/7/05

???

#28785 Re: Unmanned probes » Mars Science Laboratory (MSL) - rover » 2005-01-13 10:30:45

SwRI Radiation Hazard Instrument Selected For Next Mars Rover Mission

mars-msl-rad-swri-bg.jpg

Photo caption:
As part of the Mars Science Laboratory, the Radiation Assessment Detector (RAD) will characterize the radiation environment faced by astronauts at the surface of Mars. This image shows a prototype model of a portion of RAD, designed and built by scientists at Southwest Research Institute using internal research funds.


Well talk about your international cooperation..  ???

#28786 Re: Unmanned probes » Opportunity & Spirit **8** - ...More... » 2005-01-13 10:16:26

I think that if they were to not go straight to the hill top but were to zig zag there way up, that it might do better.

#28787 Re: Science, Technology, and Astronomy » Spitzer Space Telescope » 2005-01-13 09:50:03

Sorry.. sad
I'm guilty..

Yes it is important to track the discoveries made but it is also important to note which instruments and in this case which telescope is used in the discovery as well.

If we want to replace telescopes like Hubble with say a JSW we would then know which type of discoveries would be missed due to instrumentation selection.

Still love starring at the stars without a telescope thou.... big_smile

#28788 Re: Unmanned probes » Opportunity & Spirit **8** - ...More... » 2005-01-13 06:58:03

Well the bunny is out of the bag, or at least we now know who put the energizer in the rovers. They are Lithium Ion Batteries.

Pawcatuck Batteries Keep Mars Mission Roving

#28789 Re: Human missions » More ISS hardball - How does this affect US vision? » 2005-01-13 06:50:33

Well from this news release it appears that the Russian's are not letting up with launches to the ISS. The plan is to launch two manned Soyuz spaceships and four Progress cargo spaceships to the ISS this year. How many will the US be doing if the shuttle does not fly... sad

Russia to launch six spaceships to ISS in 2005

#28790 Re: Science, Technology, and Astronomy » Spitzer Space Telescope » 2005-01-13 06:42:03

Spitzer Finds Stellar "Incubators" With Massive Star Embryos

Trifid Nebula Nursery image

The Trifid Nebula is a giant star-forming cloud of gas and dust located 5,400 light-years away in the constellation Sagittarius.


The new Spitzer images are a combination of data from the telescope's infrared array camera and the multiband imaging photometer.

"With Spitzer, it's like having an ultrasound for stars. We can see into dust cocoons and visualize how many embryos are in each of them."

#28791 Re: Science, Technology, and Astronomy » Deep Impact Crashing mission - Comet Tempel 1 target » 2005-01-13 06:32:45

NASA not worried by craft shutdown

A comet-chasing NASA spacecraft went into a protective standby mode after launch Wednesday. The Fault protection software detected higher-than-expected temperatures in the spacecraft's propulsion system.

NASA spacecraft are outfitted with fault protection software that detects systems problems. The software automatically puts spacecraft in a so-called "safe mode" when trouble crops up. In safe mode, all but essential systems are turned off until the spacecraft receives new commands from ground controllers.

The likely fix in this case: Adjusting allowable temperature limits within the propulsion system.

A 300-degree Fahrenheit limit was programmed into the spacecraft prior to launch. The fault-detection software triggered when sensors detected temperatures of 326 degrees. The propulsion system can withstand much higher temperatures.

Thank goodness for reprogramable computers for if this had been the old style analog hard wired sensor this could have spelled disaster for the mission.

#28792 Re: Human missions » Hubble Mistake **2** - Action still Needed » 2005-01-13 06:24:58

Here is an example of the work that can be done with adative optics.

New view of distant colliding galaxies captured by Keck laser system

For the first time, astronomers have been able to combine the deepest optical images of the universe, obtained by the Hubble Space Telescope, with equally sharp images in the near-infrared part of the spectrum using a sophisticated new laser guide star system for adaptive optics at the W. M. Keck Observatory in Hawaii. The new observations, presented at the American Astronomical Society (AAS) meeting in San Diego this week, reveal unprecedented details of colliding galaxies with massive black holes at their cores, seen at a distance of around 5 billion light-years.

The images were obtained during testing of the laser guide star adaptive optics system on the 10-meter Keck II Telescope. They are the first science-quality images of a distant galaxies obtained with this new system. This being a major step for the Center for Adaptive Optics Treasury Survey (CATS), and use of adaptive optics to observe a distant galaxy.

"The advent of the laser guide star at Keck has opened up the sky for adaptive optics observations, and we can now use Keck to focus on those fields where we already have wonderful, deep optical images from the Hubble Space Telescope," Koo said.

Because the diameter of the Keck Telescope's mirror is four times larger than Hubble's, it can obtain images four times sharper than Hubble in the near infrared now that the laser guide star adaptive optics system is available to overcome the blurring effects of the atmosphere.

Well how does an Adaptive optical system or false star work:

Adaptive optics (AO) corrects for the blurring effect of the atmosphere, which seriously degrades images seen by ground-based telescopes. An AO system precisely measures this blurring and corrects the image using a deformable mirror, applying corrections hundreds of times per second. To measure the blurring, AO requires a bright point-source of light in the telescope's field of view, which can be created artificially by using a laser to excite sodium atoms in the upper atmosphere, causing them to glow. Without such a laser guide star, astronomers have had to rely on bright stars ("natural guide stars"), which drastically limits where AO can be used in the sky. Furthermore, natural guide stars are too bright to allow observations of very faint, distant galaxies in the same part of the sky, Koo said.

#28793 Re: Not So Free Chat » Could the Earth Quake have caused this? » 2005-01-12 21:00:30

this page references a few minor quakes that have happened since the big one
I has some other comments as it is from a blog site also.

Have not found any reference as to how high this supposed mountain was.

Edit
US Submarine Ran Into Apparently Uncharted Undersea Mountain

A senior defense official, who asked not to be identified, told AFP initial reports were that the submarine was cruising at high speed at a depth of about 120 meters (400 feet) Sunday when it ran into an uncharted sea mountain.

#28794 Re: Science, Technology, and Astronomy » Singing Sand Dunes » 2005-01-12 20:45:59

If the scale is even close to right one of those dark areas appears to be about 100m by maybe 20m  and each appears at the lowest spot in each instance. I wonder if these where once green and are now dead areas of composting plant life?
It would be interesting to retake a few photos over a period of time to see if the dunes move and if the spots stay.

#28795 Re: Space Policy » Space fairing Nations - The ever changing view » 2005-01-12 11:51:47

Lets sort of recap, 500 to 600 million launch fee, roughly 8 billion for 3 or 4 to be serviced for a single launch each and they can carry maybe 50 with the needed life support equipment. Lets call it an even 10 billion for a years sum and the total passenger count of 200 grand total. That means each would need to pay $$$$ 50,000,000 ea. if I did my math correct. We thought taking a ride on a soyuz was expensive at 10 million but I wonder if the numbers are all that, if it were done the right way and with a much higher head count? ???

The problem of sending large quantities of people into space is not all that bad with a rocket but the problem arises when its time to all come home.

#28796 Re: Human missions » The need for a Moon direct *2* - ...continue here. » 2005-01-12 11:35:42

NASA seeks space business partners

Well the last statements sort of explains why we are looking at electrostatic shields.

Radiation exposure - from the sun and other solar systems - is among the biggest risks astronauts face as they explore space.

The particles can make the astronauts sick on their journey, rendering them unable to finish their mission, or they can leave astronauts cancer stricken soon after their glory years.

The old Apollo spacecraft, she said, used aluminum shielding. Newer spacecraft use shielding made of various materials.

Liquid hydrogen is an excellent radiation shield, Simonsen said, but it's flammability makes it a poor bet for the new space vehicles.

One shielding method uses magnetism to control the radioactive particles. But because of health concerns arising from the magnetism, NASA has decided those active systems - as opposed to more passive shields - are not worth the risk.

#28797 Re: Not So Free Chat » Tsunami in Asia » 2005-01-12 10:55:20

You mean the 23,000 mph is from re-entry, I do not belive it would be going that fast when it would hit but that would also preclude 100% transfer of all the energy on impact of the water surface as well.

#28798 Re: Not So Free Chat » Tsunami in Asia » 2005-01-12 08:54:57

Distance and depth of water contributes to wave hieght, not just size of the impactor or its velocity. The same holds true for under sea quakes, location and depth.

#28799 Re: Human missions » The need for a Moon direct *2* - ...continue here. » 2005-01-12 08:39:47

Not only does this research apply to the moon but equally as well to the Mars missions of the future.

Lunar Shields: Radiation Protection for Moon-Based Astronauts

eletrostatic ball generation

Multi level and multiple shield approach

ITV shield concept

Very neat stuff but still a long way to go....

A team of researchers is looking to the moon to develop the tools future astronauts may need to ward off potentially life-threatening levels of space radiation.

Currently mid-way through their NASA-funded study, the researchers are working to determine whether a set of electrically charged shield spheres atop 40-meter masts could deflect radiation from a populated moonbase.

If it proves possible, such a radiation-proof screen - called an electrostatic shield - could protect astronauts from the long-lasting, and possibly fatal, radiation hazards of spaceflight beyond the Earth's magnetic field.

"The electrostatic radiation shield is a pretty simple idea," said the study’s co-principal investigator John Lane, an applications scientist with ASRC Aerospace Corp. at Kennedy Space Center (KSC). "We're concerned about charged particle radiation."

That radiation, high-energy protons and electrons spewed out by the Sun during massive solar storms or traversing the universe as galactic cosmic rays (GCRs), are the main hazard targeted by Lane, his colleagues. ASRC researcher Charles Buhler is leading the study, which is a Phase 1 project funded by the NASA Institute for Advanced Concepts (NIAC).

Currently, Lane and his colleagues are trying to find the best way to arrange large field generators - the spheres - of different sizes to create an electric field that repels high-energy protons and electron.

Current designs call for weak, negatively charged spheres distributed along the shield’s outer regions to sift out electrons while strong, positively charged generators cluster at the center to deflect high-energy protons.

The challenge lies in arranging a number of spheres to build a comprehensive electric field that is strong enough to deflect radiation, but not so strong that it rips electrons out of the moonbase structure or surrounding material  - hence the 40-meter poles to keep generators at a safe, water tank-high distance.

#28800 Re: Not So Free Chat » Tsunami in Asia » 2005-01-12 08:03:02

More data just keeps rolling in from the orbiting satelites that were in position.
NASA/French Space Agency, Jason and Topex/Poseidon oceanography satellites Data Reveal New Details of Tsunami

Then you get the fear mongering articles  sad Asteroid Could Cause Tsunami, Los Alamos National Laboratory (LANL) Scientist Says

"Every 10,000 years or so, we should get a tsunami from an asteroid, and we haven't had one in about that amount of time," Galen Gisler said. "It's a hard thing to calculate, because we don't know how many asteroids are out there, but some international groups are starting to do surveys to quantify that."

A half-mile-wide asteroid hitting the Atlantic near Florida could cause a 10-foot tsunami that could kill thousands and leave massive destruction.

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