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#252 Re: Unmanned probes » Official MSL / Curiosity Rover Thread | Aug 5, 2012 10:31 p.m. PT » 2012-08-30 14:59:32

Why do i feel like a mushroom? Why, when I look on the raw data feeds all I get are postage stamp 8 pixel images from a 2.5 billion dollar rover? I can get better images with a 25 dollar digital camera from wal-mart.

Yea, there will be some spectacular images. the question is will we ever see them?

Good luck with all of that........ This is starting to stink.

#253 Re: Unmanned probes » Official MSL / Curiosity Rover Thread | Aug 5, 2012 10:31 p.m. PT » 2012-08-26 16:51:49

Also of note about the images showing "natural color." The sky from the raw Viking images were correctly shown with a "green" hue. I have noticed some of the images are leaning this way. If green is made by mixing blue and yellow this should be the case, sometime.

A thin haze of tan could present a yellow hue. Raleigh scattering would add a blue hue. We may not see little green men, but we should see green skies at times.

Vincent

#254 Re: Unmanned probes » Official MSL / Curiosity Rover Thread | Aug 5, 2012 10:31 p.m. PT » 2012-08-26 13:23:31

Partial Pressure for Dummies:

What is Partial Pressure? It goes like this. Let's say we have 10 millibars of pressure for simplicity. You can translate these by multiplying the actual pressures to the various parts, i.e. 7.29Mb would translate to

So of these 10mb, 8 mbs are CO2. Various aerosols are 1.2 mbs and water is .8 mbs. The partial pressure of water in the sample is .8 mbs.

Being a gas, liquid or solid is a "state. " Partial pressure has nothing to do with it. It does, however, signal the samples current state of saturation that is temperature dependent.  It will set up a gradient based on relative humidity. This will vary with the same sample depending on temperature. The lower the humidity,  increase rates of sublimation or evaporation will occur. There are variables that will change these rates regardless of the humidity. Micro or mesoscale caps and inversions. These can and do prevent mixing.

Vincent

#257 Re: Unmanned probes » Official MSL / Curiosity Rover Thread | Aug 5, 2012 10:31 p.m. PT » 2012-08-24 08:41:40

The high temperature on Sol 16 in Gale Crater was 0C or 32F. At the same time temperatures approached 0C or 32F at a buoy at 82.9 degrees north latitude near the north pole on Earth. This is the warmest time of year in the Arctic Summer. There is a Weather Cam at this location and my ritual of watching the sun set in the Arctic with my morning coffee over the next three weeks has begun.

This morning as I looked out at the wonderful scene I wondered. When water sill filled Gale Crater as the atmosphere thinned and liquid turned to ice would it have looked something like this? Did anything lurk in the water for just a little while? Does frost form still to supply liquid water in the late afternoon today? If that were the case, surely the ChemCam would shown hydrogen. I think it did.

Enjoy the beauty of the Earth's Arctic Summer, Image below.

Vincent

http://www.flickr.com/photos/11627092@N … hotostream

#259 Re: Unmanned probes » Official MSL / Curiosity Rover Thread | Aug 5, 2012 10:31 p.m. PT » 2012-08-23 16:01:52

This is the first processed, "natural color," image of the Martian sky. First, it aint red. The scene looks very natural but much detail about the haze layer is lost in the jpeg haze.  It is there no doubt and during decent a "water ice haze layer" was noted. This was in the late afternoon during rapid cooling, makes sense.

So we wait for the sunrise and sunset images.

Vincent

http://www.flickr.com/photos/11627092@N06/7847106852/

Image by, Ant103-UMSF

#260 Re: Unmanned probes » Official MSL / Curiosity Rover Thread | Aug 5, 2012 10:31 p.m. PT » 2012-08-21 09:33:14

Now if you guys believe that NASA can put a two ton rover on Mars with a computer on board with less storage capacity of a cell phone and the transmition capabilities of a common 1995 Microsoft 33K modem I salute you. You are a step above us all indeed.

Most of us would wonder why they needed two weeks to themselves all alone on the surface of Mars, but not you. Yes,  you are a step above the rest, a damn genius. My brother-in-law, who is also a genius  has a proposition.
In Maryland they will close a bridge on interstate  I-95 for repair. This repair could take several years. A bridge on I-295 he owns. This could be turned into a toll bridge with great profit to you..  Please leave your name and number.

Vincent

Image below. Act fast.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/11627092@N06/7831684336/

#261 Re: Unmanned probes » Official MSL / Curiosity Rover Thread | Aug 5, 2012 10:31 p.m. PT » 2012-08-21 05:43:35

This image shows an unusual rock. It appears to have characteristics of biological origin. This doesn't mean anything, it could be and most likely is, "a rock."
The question is this. If you spent billions of dollars to go there would you take a closer look at this feature? You bet. Will we see it in the raw data feed?

Not a chance brother. Let the games begin....

Feature in this image:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/11627092@N06/7830447046/

Link to original data here:

http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/msl-raw-images … 1_DXXX.jpg

#262 Re: Unmanned probes » Official MSL / Curiosity Rover Thread | Aug 5, 2012 10:31 p.m. PT » 2012-08-21 03:57:40

NASA has hit a new low for obvious censorship. A tip of the hat to them. The dark CHEMCAM images are second only to the 15K blurry postage stamp images.

Don't worry, they will throw us a bone every once in a while...... If they feel like it.....

#263 Re: Pictures of Mars » Mars Video » 2012-08-17 12:59:29

To say there is no, or has never been life on Mars is speculation separate from knowledge.  To know is to be certain. To be certain is to be beyond question. This image has been referred to on UMSF as geological porn. Ironically it was posted by Stu on page 69 of the thread.  I agree. Lots of hydrated mineral signatures from orbit and layers similar to Arizona, USA.

There are two main ways in which minerals hydrate. One is conversion of an oxide to a double hydroxide, as with the hydration of calcium oxide - CaO - to calcium hydroxide - Ca(OH)2, the other is with the incorporation of water molecules directly into the crystalline structure of a new mineral, as in the hydration of feldspars to clay minerals, garnet to chlorite or kyanite to muscovite.

The "water channels" and fans in this area would  dictate the geologic process.

Enjoy....

Vincent

http://www.flickr.com/photos/11627092@N06/7803383950/

How do you post an image from flickr on this forum?

#265 Re: Science, Technology, and Astronomy » Must be Moving On » 2012-06-20 11:54:33

<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/11627092@N06/7408783874/" title="titan_haze by dfrank39, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7271/7408783874_b894d423e5.jpg" width="500" height="456" alt="titan_haze"></a>

#266 Re: Science, Technology, and Astronomy » Must be Moving On » 2012-06-20 11:50:55

Oh yea, that place?  Titan

[img]<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/11627092@N06/7408783874/" title="titan_haze by dfrank39, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7271/7408783874_b894d423e5.jpg" width="500" height="456" alt="titan_haze"></a[/img]

#267 Science, Technology, and Astronomy » Must be Moving On » 2012-06-20 11:43:26

Vincent
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I look forward to the next Mars probe. If we see more dust and lifelessness we must be moving on. There is another place were we need just thermal protection and O2. When the sun goes Red Giant it may become quite tropical.
So ode to Mars.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0VjNxQg … re=related

#268 Re: Unmanned probes » Official MSL / Curiosity Rover Thread | Aug 5, 2012 10:31 p.m. PT » 2012-06-09 03:39:14

Time is drawing neigh. Last thing we want is a crash.

"Dont look Ethel!!!!"

#273 Pictures of Mars » Mars Video » 2011-12-25 08:00:21

Vincent
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Good to see the forum back up and running. A great video I found.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryg97aRoNC8

#274 Re: Pictures of Mars » The Colors of Mars » 2008-05-28 13:03:12

Color chart on Earth left, Mars right.

Blue is now purple. Deck has gone from gray to brown. How can they do this, Just add RED.

Check your ten foil hat at the door.

Vincent

Hort comparison

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#275 Re: Unmanned probes » Phoenix - North Pole Region Lander (PHX) » 2008-05-28 09:19:27

Now that we can see.

Area 1- silt in low topographic areas from thaws, How long ago is unknown.
Are II -surface discoloration wide spread. Unknown

MRO image of landing site clearly shows these features. If the surface was all red it could not see it either

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