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#1 Re: Terraformation » Terraforming Venus - methods anyone? » 2004-06-24 12:57:34

Regarding the New Jerusalem... if it is to go into orbit around Venus, this might set up a resonance and alter the rotation period, too.

#2 Re: Terraformation » Terraforming Venus - methods anyone? » 2004-06-24 12:49:32

Carl Sagan proposed seeding Venus' atmosphere with algae to fix the CO2 back in the 1960s.  An article in Wikipedia says this is unfeasible because the CO2 would be recycled once the organisms died and fell back towards the surface.

If that is the only objection, I think we have a viable solution with Sagan's idea.  Cyanobacteria (blue-green algae) can live forever, by continually splitting in two.  Dirk Schulze-Makuch of UTexas has analyzed Russia's Venus probe data and suggests that there may in fact already be colonies of bacteria in the clouds of Venus.  This would explain the odd changes to the atmosphere which no other theory can.  The presence of certain biomolecules also confirms this theory (carbonyl sulfide, e.g.).

If water is a problem, there are bacteria which can degrade sulfuric acid with water as a byproduct.  In fact this organism already coexists with cyanobacteria in bacterial mats on earth.

It would seem mechanical solutions could be bypassed entirely in favour of the biological seeding option Sagan outlined decades ago.

In his book "Pale Blue Earth" Sagan wrote that the pressure would be too high for us to live on Venus even if the algae idea worked.  When he proposed the seeding idea, he thought the pressure was only a few bars.  I am not as well-educated as professor Sagan, but I believe the pressure problem goes away once the greenhouse gases (CO2 mainly) are fixed by the algae.  If you are worried about the O2 causing too high a pressure, think again.  The CO2 is a greenhouse gas, which raises temperature and pressure follows.  O2 is not a greenhouse gas so temperature will not rise from trapped radiation.  PV=nRT shows that if temperature is lower with our algae's crop of O2, so is pressure!

Correct me if I am wrong (kashif777@yahoo.com).

#3 Re: Terraformation » Terraforming Venus - methods anyone? » 2004-06-23 15:19:22

"I saw a new heavens and a new earth.  The old heavens and the old earth had passed away."

"The earth will be consumed by fire."

"To him who overcomes, I will give the morning star."

If there ever was life on Mars, and there is life on Earth now, there will surely be life on Venus in the future.

Was there a civilization on Mars?  Take a look at a map of Mars.  You will notice that Olympus Mons forms the base of a perfect cross with three other peaks.  This may be a sign from the previous civilization to us of the greatest thing they knew before they blew themselves up.  I think we should excavate Olympus Mons to search for remains.

What about us?  Is it not obvious we will wipe out all life on earth by nuclear war?  What hope is there, then?

"I saw the New Jerusalem come down from heaven like a bride adorned for her husband."

The author of Revelations gives us human dimensions for this object, much like a Borg Cube, about the size of the moon.

Will the best of our planet be beamed up (a la rapture) to this space Ark for transport to a new home?  Such a spaceship would be a great moon for Venus orbit.

Though the details are in the hands of a Higher Power, we might think of ways to make the Morning Star more habitable.

The main problems are high surface temperature and pressure due to a runaway greenhouse effect.  This is very much like what a primitive earth might have looked like.  With the introduction of cyanobacteria, the CO2 could be pulled down and temperatures and pressures would drop.  There are scientists working on bacteria in the atmosphere whose theories suggest airborne organisms might be thriving here in our skies, and possibly above Venus, too.  50 kms above the surface, temperature and pressure are similar to ours.

It may indeed take eons, but it seems are very plausible prospect given the prophecies in the Bible.

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