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I read somewhere once that, a group of Russian Scientists proposed that Mars was indeed hit by a planet killing Asteroid, and that the impact was at an angle. The major force of impact was mostly absorbed by Mars, and two large peices of debris from the Asteroid had enough velosity left over to achieve stable orbit.
The sudden force of the impact blew the atmosphere away from the planet like a soap bubble when it pops. The surface and remaining atmosphere was instantly freeze dried. A massive dust feild engulfed the planet stopping all sun light from reaching the surface, and over time all settled to the surface. They proposed this is why the fine layer of surface debris exists on Mars today.
Techtonic forces from the impact warped the Mars surface, and created a great surface tear, and also destabilized the planets core, and instantly causing great and sudden volcanos planet wide.
They also addressed the lack of maganetic feild as maybe resulting from the sudden massive disturbance in the planets core.
They also postulated that if life did exist, that it may remain freeze dried under the dust and surface like the woolly mamoths in siberia.
Anyway I always wondered about his work, and have since seen it proposed. I think its worth a little more thought and investigation!
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I think the topic was about discussing an advanced interplanetary space craft for Earth/Mars, Earth/Lunar, Lunar/Mars missions. What type of crew accomodations & artificial gavity, power & life support, propulsion & navagation, ect. Ect.
The topic is: International Solar Cruiser Program - "EARTH-1"
The web link made reference to was:
http://www.international-space-agency.n … /iscp.html
I submit to Mr. Dobson to please return, as there are those of us that would like to hear what you have to say!
To the message board moderators, I am requesting that any persons not making constructive comments or input into this thread be banned from this message board, or following the specific rules for participation out lined below!
Rule #1: No personal attacks or slander against anyone is wanted in this thread. If you don't support this topic start your own thread and topic. No past events events, ie: the anti-dobson war, are to metioned or discussed here, no exceptions!
Rule #2: If you do not want to make a positive or constructive input regarding this topic or those who choose too, go start your own thread.
Rule #3: Topic Specific Postulations only, as in: what if?, or how will that work?, or what about this? Are the only way others and their ideas will be addresses in this thread!
Rule #4: *No references to spelling, grammer, or I heard about you or your organization over here, or hey someone told me about so and so, *No Gossip Here! Only topic related issues only!
Rule #5: This thread which is being started by me, for the specific topic of International Solar Cruiser Program - "EARTH-1", and nothing else.
Rule #6: User clark is not allowed to post in this thread, as this persons influence and actions are not wanted, and cause a disturbance. This person has the whole New Mars message board to romp around in, but not here!
Rule #7: If Mr. Dobson does return to contribute to this thread, which I hope he does, he is the CEO of a Corporation and deserves to be addressed as Mr. Dobson. Or at least with some respect. If you don't like what he has to say, and can not follow the simple rules above, than don't come or contribute to this thread, go start your own thread, its that simple.
The rules for participation in this thread are well established, and those breaking them have been forwarned, and have no excuse for breaking them! It will be a clear call for the moderators to ban any person who breaks these rules.
So, lets try this again! And hopefully this time we get it right!
Eric
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Rxke,
I think the idea of an International Space Agency is a very good idea, and needs to happen.
However my comments are valid, and stand by them.
Governments are not going to all of a sudden trust each other and give away hard fought efforts to develop advanced technologies.
This has been a problem with ISS, as in the public media and public meetings all of the ISS partners are smiling, shaking hands, and hugging, and as idiom says "all that love".
Behind the scenes its a cat fight and the fur is flying everwhere! Russia and Europe have threatened more than once to pull out.
The problem is that complex space stations, space vehicles, and planetary surface operations and exploration will take a major effort and investment to achieve these things, beyond even a losely agreed on alliance like the ISS project. It really is going to take an effort like an international space agency for these things to happen.
This is one of the reasons I am so up set at the way Mr. Dobson from a group now working on putting together such an organization, was plowed under by clark mainly, but a few others as well. I really did want to hear what this guy had to say, and now because of this mess Mr. Dobson may not even want to come back. I think this is sad, and a big loss not to hear what such visionaries have to say.
I see they have now locked out the solar cruiser thread which I also was interested in. Congratulations clark and cronies, you succeeded in your agenda, hope you are happy now!
The international space plane idea is good, and I think Airbus Industries approach is very close to what Mr. Dobson has proposed for this project, he even makes reference to this in the project materials.
But, there are valid concerns in National Security, Technology Transfer, and the Ability for different societies and cultures to be able to work together in such a project.
Again such projects and efforts are badly needed if we are to ever do anything really big in orbit or on the moon or Mars. Mr. Dobson and his group are struggling with this, and should be supported and commended for their efforts. The road which lays ahead for these folks is going to be an up hill battle all the way, and a few land mines here and there along the way, for sure.
We don't need the type of garbage which was dished out by clark and his cronies mixed into this debate as it does nothing but harm, not only to this Dobsons efforts, but to every ones efforts and hopes.
idiom, Capitalism is a great thing! Aint it! :-)
Those with brains and hard work enjoy the fruits of their labor, and well, the rest the get what they deserve, free hand outs and left overs!
Communism and Socialism failed because they punished the smart and productive people, and rewarded the lazy and corrupt people.
If those on the left in America succeed in getting their hands on control of America, we will face the same fate!
I would like to give you my love idiom!
But that AK-47 you are pointing at me looks a little scary!
so Rxke, you answer for clark now too?
At first I totally disregarded in large part what dobson had to say about someone or some organized group of someones with an axe to grind with him?! I just assumed it was teenagers flamming him? Now do not think this is the case, as I have seen to much source specific information used to slander this dobson guy, and far far to much focused interest in him, and his posts, to be just teenagers flamming people.
so ole clarky barky chief weasel who was acting like, I never met this dobson guy before and did not know anything about him, was just making some freindly replies to his posts and stuff! I don't have any agenda or anything. What a load of crap!
The more I find out about this whole affair, the more it stinks of weasel "dump"!
I will ask again clarky barky, how is it that ole clarky barky seems to have come by this information of this dobson guy being kicked off space.com? Someone would not have such information that is so source specific and can't be found in any search engine! This type of source specific information can only be aquired by either being directly involved in getting this dobson guy kicked of space.com, or by being freinds or partners with someone who was involved!?
Either way this whole affair stinks of some real big weasel "dump".
I find it even more interesting that clarky barky seems to have message board unnamed icons like Rxke, divert public attention when ever the focus is on ole clarky barky the weasel master, or should I say weasel leader?
I do not think any of you people are with our organization, and have seemed to think you can take over our Mars Society message board to spout your trash and enable your agenda against people like this dobson guy!
I am even more concerned that the Mars Society leadership, who I know is aware of this crap going on here, has not stopped it! And dobson is not the problem, he is clearly the victom.
If the moderators kick dobson off, then every one else who chimmed in on this little parade should be axed as well! Ole clarky barky at the top of the list! If dobson is kicked off in anyway, I and few others, will leave the Mars Society and with draw our support. Including two of my freinds that are corporate backers of the Mars Society. The book of King Arthur who dresses up in commoners cloths and goes out into his kindom to see the truth, is a book the Mars Society leadership should read. The way I have been treated both here on "OUR" Mars Society message board, and in private letters to Mars Society officers, which up until now I had respect for, has been very bad. When they knew who I was and was making out the $5000 check's to them, they were very nice to me. Now that I have addressed these problems on this message board, and in private, they have talked down to me and have totally disrespected me. I do not agree with what was, and still is, being done to Mr. Dobson. Many others I have spoken to in private agree with me as well, and have not posted here about it because they do not want to be attacked like this dobson guy was, and now me as well!
If dobson was kicked off space.com I can only wonder if clarky barky the chief weasel and his fellow band of weasels were at the center of such an event!? And as I have said before space.com is a toilet full of little turds anymore anyway! It would now seem the space.com toilet is overflowing, the the little turds "clarky barky" are now taking over our message board as well!
I have the main list of all Mars Society members, and am dammed well thinking about sending out a letter to all of them about this whole affair, and how people who make major donations to the Mars Society are treated. At least 10 people who have spoken to me in private about his saga, are themselves members of the Mars Society, 2 of them Corporate members. Agree with me that this whole affair is wrong, and what was done to this dobson guy was most surely slander in the highest order.
clarkry barky pal,
I am very very intersted how little old clarky barky might get such a dirty little low down on someone he just seemed to just meet, and had no hidden political or academic dirty tricks up his "nose"?
You like picking on people don't you clarky barky! You enjoy seeing others in pain and discomfort, hmmm! Fun Stuff?
Little Perverts like you get their rocks off by pulling the wings and legs off poor little helpless insects.
Me and my freinds, buddy, pals at the CIA in LANGVA would really like to know?
Really! We would? clarky barky pal!
What did you think of the hyper-x test that just happened a few weeks ago?
If the USA helped to fund this project, why shouldn't the US Military have access to these vehicles, as you have stated in your materials?
Why should the USA participate, this would expose our technology to other Governments who would love to steal it!
Russia did a good job of raiding our tech data on the U.S. Shuttle's, and I am sure would jump at the chance to do likewise again under the guise of being a freindly partner in some international space plane program!?
I would guess that China would love to do the same as well!
So why an international space plane, and how do you propose to overcome these, and many other problems?
Hazer your right!
But please tell me for the record who is going to get them there?
Who is going to pay the bills?
Who is going to give them the tools, eqpt, and materials to build there nice comfy Mars houses?
Who is going to cloth, feed, and take care of their medical and human needs?
The people of the United States mostly, of that you can be sure!
I checked this group out, and even had a reply email from Mike McCarthy and Jerald Schneider. Mike McCarthy seemed concerned about the negitive posts by a few people on the Mars Society message board. Mike said he has known Dr. Dobson since 1993, and even attended a few of the diplomatic meetings in 1993 & 1994. He said Dr. Dobson is like most very smart people, a little odd at times in his approach, but indeed worth listening to. He also said Dr. Dobson has had a very rough time with attacks and criticism about his vision for the International Space Agency, and has faced many Political and Economic hurdels. He said many of Dr. Dobsons inventions and projects are very interesting, and it was sad they did not get the proper support. Said it was the nature of the beast, or something to that effect.
He told me that Dr. Dobson and his work was like the Wright Brothers work, not understood, and plowed under by the trends of the day.
I have asked this Clark guy to let me know where he has gotten all this bad information from, but as of this post I have yet had a reply.
As a major supporter of the Mars Society, I am concerned as how Dr. Dobson was treated when he came to this Mars Society message board.
I hope that more level heads, and facts will prevail in the future. I also hope this Mars Society message board will not spin into a name calling match, as I for one stopped going to space.com because of this child play.
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