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Child abuse or child murder? How about kids for sale? What about little whatsisname who burnt to a cinder in a test flight? Where's the documents?
The CIA offered me 175,000$ in the sixties, as compensation for Ultra and other activities I'm describing here. By then I was ensconsed in Canada where almost anything goes, and I was tricked into giving the money away, to charity, which is fine, but as a result I never got clear of these people here, who are far worse than the CIA, who were at least accountable.
Abuse. OK, I was thrown out an upstairs window and landed on some glass on a lawn. The woman who did it was virtually crippled shortly after.
B shot that guy and when I started freaking out he smashed me in the head from behind with something, but no permanent brain damage, just a dent in my skull.
Frostbitten from falling out of a jet that went to pieces at high altitude.
Lots more horrific childhood stuff, lots,...but the recent spate of assaults only started when I began talking about things, around 1998.
A lot of events are faked, we did tons of UFO fakes, but once this precedent is established....real crimes get by much more easily. So abused, duhhh yea! If I only had some documents to prove it all.... )
Stick with aliens J, and finish this off.

Back we came from Mars, with two humanoids in tow. Bad mistake. They tricked us.
Said humanoids labored in the tunnels for the insect lifeforms. All lesser insects are, or were utterly controlled by the superior warm-blooded saucer aliens. Hence, the humanoids ...well it's like the damned alien queen wasp is looking right through their eyes.
I swear, these creatures are...interdimensional in a way we have trouble understanding. They were ousted but they are not gone. Drone seed was left behind and there's more to it than that. They changed tactics...and started trying to take over world leaders, people in key positions, just like a bloody twilite zone episode.
That was years and years ago, when I became 'compromised' viz: Suddenly the aliens knew everything that I did. Who was watching who, everything I knew about the greys on Earth, every detail. One of the humanoids brought back had been inserted in my immediate 'family' and it simply woke me up and asked questions and I answered like a robot, like I was hypnotised. Powerful telepathic monsters they are, but the Greys apparently thought they had them under control.
Boom, I removed myself from the entire show.
It's all too much, I know, I know... there's so much more, but what are you going to do about any of it anyway?
Still... these monsters...removed all evidence of themselves on Earth, aeons ago. They had their 'people' go around destroying all images, carvings, temples, anything that depicted themselves. They operated secretely on the Earth after that, and now the same thing is happening to a large degree on Mars.
So we end up trusting the 'Greys' , whoever or whatever they actually are. I reckon most all 'encounters' involve them and not our saucer aliens.
Remember - all the crazy violence on Earth can be traced back to their influence...and things are still happening. Like 911. Alien related? Yessiree. So are some serial murders and spree shootings and other fun stuff, via humanoids.
They have a hunk of metal instead of a brain. Horrifying. I feel abused just knowing about some of this stuff, and things are not going great here, personally or in the world around me, so I feel motivated to make some noise, and have just done so.
Now I expect some LSD remarks...if any, but no, I was too young for the LSD testing, though I saw it being done.
Like I said, there is a lot more...I'd like to explain the secret 'language' and where that came from and how it is affecting the whole mess...and the other visitors to the Earth over the aeons which I was shown...and even other places in the galaxy I was shown...and other people who can back a lot of this up, who they are, where they are and etc. but enough is too much already.
BTW, I am a sciFi writer and not too bad if I do say so myself... but none of this is fiction, sadly.
Conclude transmission.

A) Who were “the key players”
Aliens. Earth people.
I, and a few others, had been in the 'space program' since before the first rocket went up, but kept separate, insulated from any public officialdom, including NASA personnel.
B) How were you familiar with the “key players”?
I was in a jet that tried to leave our atmosphere. A saucer tracked us, same as they followed many aircraft.
I went up and orbited, not Cooper, and the saucer hung off the wing, it's pilot clearly visible.
Evidence was found in the 50s, in a buried room, showing the Mars/Alien connection in spectacular detail.
On a larger scale, the entire military/govt. had been infiltrated by the 'human' minions of our saucer pals.
When the 'greys' arrived, they attempted contact thru pilots in the space prog of course, having no idea that it was populated by slaves, invisible people who do the dirty work. This confused and even angered them when they figured it out.
C) How do you go to Mars without planning “as such”?
Gee, I remember now, driving to Cape Canaveral one time, it cost about 30 bucks gas to get there, me and the pilot.
The Mars mission...well I think it was eventually 30 people went up there total, in a metal cylinder, that's all I remember. One per saucer, as there was only 30 of them, so 90 aliens total (They are tri-sexual). Alpha team landed first though, at North Meridiana?
No idea re: the ship, or any of the tech, the whole thing is compartmentalized of course, so why would I?
Also, the kind of things encountered kind of blow away any small details like what kind of ship etcetc.
What was towed to maximum altitude?
Metal cylinder, 4 wings, very simple.
1b) What towed you?
Big airplane!
1c) What was maximum altitude?
As high as possible. We were in space going 20,000 per in a matter of seconds.
1d) What happened after that?
Slept. Orbited, returned.
Re: Ship, architecture, etc. NO IDEA> I am not a trained pilot. I was never around the tech, not interested. I remember names, Echo and a few others but we never had anything to do with the tech, as in, I never saw the ship until the moment we entered it, and I had no interest in it.
What was scary? 
Aliens! Ants, Centipedes, other insects, early forms of human beings, others. And the saucer aliens, you can't even really look at them for more than a second. Much worse than, say, Predators from the movies, which are loosely based on them.
A) Why was it common sense?  What’s so secret?
Well... uhh... uhm.... they have been abducting people since before biblical times. Surprisingly this only amounts to less than 3 million people. Taken up in small groups and put into life and death combat against all sorts of creatures. They were all still up there, statues and carvings, not nice to look at.
b)What parts were tested on civilians?
I think simply telling them what had been happening, then showing an image of the aliens doing it was enough.
c)What evidence you you have that it was so tested?
Zip. But - the Philadlphia experiment is another part of it. I believe it was an attempt to duplicate the aliens mode of travel to Mars, which they can do in minutes. People tried it - went insane, or almost. I wasn't directly involved, but everytime I asked it ws the same = people can't handle it yet. But the last time I asked was probably in the 60s.
d) What sort of psychological problems did the civilians suffer?
Dread. That's the best word, dread, and it doesn't go away easily, takes weeks or months to normalize.
e) Why only the civilians?
Civilians who signed a secrecy document. Maybe some military too, I don't know.
Why put an amazing experience out of your mind?
Its too much. You can't talk about it and you can't live a normal life if you think about it. Its not just amazing, there's way too much horror mixed in there. Plus, we were told to clam up until 'disclosure' arrived.
9b) Why were there problems?
The problems ended fairly quickly, but- when we walked down a ramp into a cave and there they were, perhaps 50 yards away, muscles locked, people screamed, fell down and like that. But then humanoid types showed up, and they weren't afraid, so we regained composure, somewhat.
9c) What triggered them?
Ants. Not saucer aliens which are worse, but large ants may as well be aliens and they just scared the beejezus out of us.
Buried room - somewhere in or near India.
Cataclysm... the planet next door blew up during a war between our original saucer pals. The moon is what's left of the sister planet, our original home probably, but already trashed when the war started. Our saucer visitors were and are planet destroyers.
Telepathy - is the killer. Once you plug in and see their records, its all over and there aren't many questions left to ask. When we arrived in the Martian sky, every creature on the planet knew it within minutes. The non-telepathic mammals etc. would be told by the telepathic insects. Very civilized, and it can't break down due to a power outage.
Our saucer aliens are from ...? They have a million-year history. They are solitary hunters, each saucer prefers a planet to themselves, though that can change over the ages. They live to 900-1000 years each. IQ near 500 as far as we can judge such things. The tech that powers the saucer and their single weapon, is not their invention, it was found by them, eons ago, and they use it still. This helps explain the disparity between their advanced tech and savage nature.
The universe does not ascribe to our ideas about logic, physics or anything else. Everything we are is directly attributable to these creatures. They started every single war and caused all the trouble there ever was. So it's kind of a big deal they are gone! On Mars the celebration was the greatest in their history which is much longer, detailed and honest than our own. Whew. Good questions Jon.

Jon, I was Liason, OK? Problem-solving, diplomacy. logic. I was familiar with the players. The tech could have been done by anybody and I would not be part of that. These missions weren't planned as such - they were neccessary and were carried out with as little hoopla as possible. Need-to-know every step of the way.

1) Where did you launch from?
In 62 we were towed up to max altitude and dropped off the plane.
I have no idea where we left from in 76ish, but must have been somewhere on the west coast of N. Am.

2) What did you launch on? Dunno.

Who built the spacecraft? No idea.

4) What were the spacecraft specifications - tonnes, volume, power supply, mission duration, propulsion?
Who cares! Aliens involved, no problem going to Mars and back.

5) What mission architecture was used?
What is mission architecture? Not my job. We had a unique situation to deal with, not something normal people would want to take on. We were not bound by any rules or military folderol.

6) Why were cameras not allowed on the surface of Mars?
Uhhh.. too scary, too much, way too much.

7) What are the "best early high-resolution images" that have "vanished from every online site" are you referriong to?  a) What spacecraft were they taken by?  b) Where were they of?  c) Where were they originally hosted? b) What evidence do you have that they have existed?
Dunno, doesn't matter, there are plenty more. But the SE Candor pic was a personal fave.
Myself or others are visible in the early photos if you know where to look. The ship stayed overhead at all times, though we were only in danger in certain areas of the planet.

7) Why the secrecy?
Common sense. They kept testing parts of it on random civilians and there was trouble, psychological problems.

8) if it is secret why tell us?
It's been long enough. This has to happen a bunch of times, it's very tedious. 6 billion sheep don't wake up easily.

9) Why can't you remember the number of times you have been off planet (not the sort of thing you would forget)?
Ah, well the sleep states, yknow? Read Ultra, all of it, then use your imagination.
It took approx. two weeks to put it out of mind. Alpha, Delta refers to sleep states. You couldn't go there in a normal mindset, and there were problems up there, people fainting, locking into foetal position, running in circles, stuff like that.

When we returned and debriefed we were told we were 'off the hook' until disclosure happened.
Tech questions are a waste of time, not my job. Aliens, I know about.
Pilots reported the saucers many times. One pulled in beside me and it's pilot was clearly visible. This was in the sixties. I landed and reported that the pilot of the saucer was a rather large insect-like creature, like a spider. There was no reason to doubt me, or the other pilots, so everything since then has been virtually dictated by common sense.
Proof was found in the fifties, a buried room with detailed evidence of the pre-cataclysm earth, aliens, working model of Gisa...a bunch of stuff.
Telepathy is very real and it obviates computers and most tech, and that's what we ran into up there.

2 teams went in the late seventies, Alpha and Delta.
Personally, I've been off planet 5 or is it six times?
1962, exactly as I described, it's not really difficult, just expensive.
Yes, children were sent up a few times. The monkey could not be trusted to perform the few simple tasks required.
Astronaut Cooper did not in fact orbit the earth 8 times, there was a weight issue. I watched them work on him for hours to break him down, get him to go on TV and talk about his mission. He absolutely refused to lie, even when ordered to by the president. Finally his family was used to coerce him into signing the document. He still made it quite clear to anyone w/ brains that he had not been in the orbiting ship.
Contact with the 'greys' or white balls or whatever you wish to call them, took place in the early seventies. They ascertained that humans were in fact an intelligent species, and they were able to stop the predatory activities of our ancient silver saucer aliens. They were asked to leave our (their) solar system at that time, and that was the purpose of the seventies mission.
To suss out myself and the others who have been up, you could start by reading MKUltra documentation.
No cameras were allowed on the surface of Mars at that time. I watched a lot of the airbrushing done, even assisted with some of it.
  There's a lot of questions, yes? Bear in mind that some of this information is the most powerful stuff there is, so resistance and coverup will be savage, to the point of throwing someone out of a skyscraper if they start raising too much sand. I saw this done in the fifties, before the whole picture was clear.
Yes, lots of life up there, and enough air and water to maintain it.
Ask some real questions, I am very good at ignoring ranting of all sorts.
J  Alpha Team etc.etc. )

Yeppers, sure were. All the pilots and military personel went through disclosure, remember that?
Well, that leaves us non-commisioned types, who actually went there, to step forward and say.;..uh gee... maybe we better get the truth out.
The problem is, nobody likes the truth. You won't like the truth either. If you are sitting there actually unaware of any of it, you'll wish you'd never found out, and that you could go back to speculating about how great 'contact' will be, when it finally happens.
Well it's all over and no-one can change the past. It can, however, be ignored, and that's what's been happening. The more years go by, and the more the truth slowly fizzles it's way into the public consciousness, the better.
It became imperative to go to Mars and check it out in the early sixties, based on evidence found on the earth.
So, a small rocket was towed up near the edge of our atmosphere, and two young men were fired like a bullet towards Mars, not all that difficult a trip really, but very expensive. They orbited and came back with film and the cat was out of the bag.
In the late seventies we went back, in full contact with both alien races that were involved. The images were not released until the nineties. I watched them airbrushed and scoffed, thinking it would never fool anyone but it has held up well. Cameras were not allowed on the surface but an artist was part of our six man team, Alpha team.
It's the same problem as day one, too heavy for most folks, but inevitably human beings have to learn their true origins, so that's what we are leading up to.