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#2 Re: Not So Free Chat » The War with Irag - How do  feel about it. » 2003-02-28 19:33:12

For society to work, and for humans to be able to peacefully co-exist, we must all come to understand that human life is the most valuable thing earth.

No, for society to work, and for humans to be able to peacefully co-exsist, we must all raise our children the same.

As long as one crazy teaches their children to be the same kind of crazy as them, we will always have the world that we have.

If our professed goal is the spread of democracy and peace through the world, need to teach those things first by example and second by helping them enacting them when they themselves desire them.

Considering that Iraq has only known the rule of tyrants since its very inception, I might imagine that the only way for Iraq, and indeed the entire mideast, is going to achieve democracy and peace is if it is imposed upon them.

If you say it won't work, you may be right, but it did work after WW2. No need to go back and forth over history, but the fact remains that many people have suffered at the hands of the Iraq regime, and not all of them have been Iraq's. We do ourselves, and the world a favor by ridding Iraq of Saddam.

We can debate the rights and wrongs of forcing the change of leaders in other countries- that is acadademic and based on ideology. I find that no argument can be made for allowing Saddam to continue to rule.

In this instance, at this time, we are justified, and we are right, in removing Saddam from power in Iraq.

There is no justification for turning a blind eye to this situation.

Nature teaches us that diversity is strength.  Differing cultures an differing views are healthy in the long run.

#3 Re: Not So Free Chat » The War with Irag - How do  feel about it. » 2003-02-28 19:27:17

Yeah, now I know what's been missing, irrational anti-everything America does.

Our left-wing fanatic is back.  Joy.

Such kind words.

#4 Re: Not So Free Chat » The War with Irag - How do  feel about it. » 2003-02-27 23:39:58

Oh my GOD what Right-wing paramilitary compound in North Dekota just got signed up for the internet?

  For society to work, and for humans to be able to peacefully co-exist, we must all come to understand that human life is the most valuable thing earth.

  Then we must realise that human suffering is somthing we must all fight against.

  And then we must realise that human dignity is somthing we should all be promoting.



Whenever I have to ask myself where i stand on an issue like this, i ask myself these two questions:

Does it ease suffering?
Does it increase human dignity?






The ideas of peace and freedom do not come naturally to this world.  It took centuries of some of the greatest minds of the western world to bring these ideals about.

If our professed goal is the spread of democracy and peace through the world, need to teach those things first by example and second by helping them enacting them when they themselves desire them.

One who has his home bombed, has seen his family and neighbors dead and dieing, and facing an overwheling force rain hell on the only world he knew is not going to be someone who will easily be won over by the ideals of peace and democracy.  It would take a lot of character such an individual to get through such a thing. 

Unfortunately dignity and character is somthing that is not too prevelant in a large part of the world.

If you take this outlook and examine the situation in Iraq, examine it's history, look for and find credible sorces for information; you will see that there really is only one way to see this matter.

#5 Re: Not So Free Chat » A nuclear event - Do you expect one in your lifetime? » 2003-02-21 06:01:37

*I hate to bring this subject up.  After 9/11 and last summer's near nuclear exchange between Pakistan and India, and now with North Korea trying out for World Drama Queen, I've become convinced I'll see a nuclear event/exchange in my lifetime.  I hope this isn't so, OF COURSE.  The Cuban Missile Crisis of the early 1960s (shortly before my birth) has been brought up quite a few times recently in the media; video footage, articles, etc.  Yes, we avoided nuclear war at that time...and yes, things might not always be as bad as they appear.  But I'm thinking our luck is going to run out sooner or later; just because we've avoided/averted nuclear war type incidents in the last 40 years is certainly no guarantee the trend will continue.

What do you think? 

1.  Yes, you're very certain there will be a nuclear event in your lifetime.

2.  Probability is moderate.

3.  Nuclear exchanges will be avoided indefinitely, and people will continue to use these weapons "just to" scare each other into submission and/or cooperation.

Sorry, but this has been gnawing on me for some time now. 

--Cindy

Both the Gulf war of the 90s and the War in afghanistan were radiological wars.

Gulf war veterans now have radioactive uranium in their semen.

13 yr old girs in Iraq have breast cancer.  the lukimia rates for children in the heavily shelled areas of iraq is 14 times the pre war rate.

The congenital defects in children in iraq has quadrupled.  Children are being born with missing limbs, spinabifida, etc.

the reason?

Depleted uranium.

#6 Re: Not So Free Chat » A nuclear event - Do you expect one in your lifetime? » 2003-02-21 05:57:05

I would go with 3, unless by 1, you mean accidental, and not related to nuclear weapons specifically. I mean, once the nuclear space program does go off, there will evenutally be an accident.

Cuban Missile Crisis was probably the closest humans have ever come to blowing themselves to bits... but I'd say right now, world tension is actually remarkably calm, considering the whole warmongering by the US against Iraq.

The only threat is North Korea, who will probably be taken care of without issues in the coming years (via inspections, hopefully, and diplomacy).

But yeah, I'd say the outlook is fairly good.

I would hardly call the current situation calm.

Turkey and Iran are both poised to embark on a land grab as soon as the Iraq war starts.  Kurdish nothern alliances have publicly stated that they will treat US forces as friends and Turkey forces as invaders.

Turky has been on a course towards genocide towards the kurds in their souther regions.  A war with Iraw could erupt a new civil war.

Iran has already moved troops into nothern Iraq.

The US and Israel are both threatening saddam with Nuclear strikes.

Saudi Arabia is a heartbeat away from a revolt.  Should the war with Iraq take place Saudi Arabia will most definately be forced into a corner between appeasing it's people and taking a strong anti-american stand or face a revolution.

Warlords in Afghanistan are quickly gaining power.  There is some concern that warlords may retake Kabul.

India and Pakistan are still pointing nukes at eachother.

North Korea is being generally ignored by the us dispite the credible nuke threat it openly proclaims it has.  The world is learning an important lesson, if you wish to remian in power as a tyrannical dictator in this century you must get nukes and a large military and fast.

Nato is divided.  America is masking it's own lack of credibility by attacking the credibilty of the UN and Nato.  Appeasement of the US will be the signal to the world that these organizations have no more relevance.

The israel palistinian conflict will most likely flare up in the days durring the war.  as soon as the war is over, Israel will no longer be bound to the agreement it made with the US for money and will take the gloves off and start rolling tankes over palistinian territories.

America, the strongest nation in the world, has placed on top of it's economic impirilism a new military impirialist policy. 

The new bush doctrine of preemption will be used by many other countries after america makes the precedent.  Expect to see many other nations annex it's neighbors and point to us as a reference as to why they feel justified.

I think we are in more danger of the world getting into one hell of a furball then ever before in history.

#7 Re: Not So Free Chat » Leaglize drugs - say what u want » 2003-01-08 16:46:35

In a NHTSA study, the only statistically significant outcome associated with marijuana was that drivers drove more slowly.

A Simulator Study of the Combined Effects of Alcohol and Marijuana on Driving Behavior-Phase II, Washington, DC: U.S. Department of Transportation (1983).

A number of driving simulator studies have shown that marijuana does not produce the kind of psycho-motor impairment evident with modest doses of alcohol.

Kv'alseth, T.O., "Effects of Marijuana on Human Reaction Time and Motor Control," Perceptual and Motor Skills 45:935-39 (1977); Hansteen, R.W. et al, "Effects of Cannabis and Alcohol on Automobile Driving and Psychomotor Tracking," Annals of New York Academy of Sciences 282:240-56 (1976); Moskowitz, H. et al, "Marijuana: Effects on Simulated Driving Performance," Accident Analysis and Prevention 8:45-50 (1976); Moskowitz, H. et al, "Visual Search Behavior While Viewing Driving Scenes Under the Influence of Alcohol and Marijuana," Human Factors 18:417-31 (1976).


Dose-related impairment was observed in drivers' ability to maintain steady lateral position. However, even with the highest dose of THC, impairment was relatively minor - comparable to that with blood-alcohol concentrations of between .03 and .07 % and many legal medications. Drivers under the influence of marijuana also tended to decrease their speed and approach other cars more cautiously.


Robbe, H. and O'Hanlon, J., Marijuana and Actual Driving Performance, Washington, DC: Department of Transportation (1993).




When you come across statistical studies that imply that THC does increase traffic accident rates, if you read them you will see that they do not have control groups or placebo.  In other words they involve bad science.

#9 Re: Not So Free Chat » What do you think of this? » 2003-01-08 00:43:43

while we are at it, I think we should just nuke the middle east, burn it till the sand turns to glass.

then we pave it all over, and turn it into one giant starbucks.

#10 Re: Not So Free Chat » Can someone explain Propaganda - Speak what u like! » 2003-01-08 00:41:18

no, how about this, america is easy to blame for everything, so lets blame everything on america!

alt, read something besides ultra-liberal media.  try a refreshing look at an objective source.

Would you prefer I watch the Fox News Channel?

Madiline Albright did not dispute the numbers or our causation on 60 minutes.  In fact she said the price was worth it.

I believe myself to be very objective.  I go to multiple media sources for information.  I read both sides of an argument.  I double check facts.  I search for original sources. 


Just because things are unplesant to know, it does not mean that they are not true.  You genuinely have to be apathetic or an idiot to buy the bullshit we are being fed as far as the cause and our intentions in the current Gulf War.

#11 Re: Not So Free Chat » President Bush - about bush » 2003-01-08 00:28:37

a neat little fact about W.  Next time you watch him give a speech, watch for the smirk.  You will notice that each time he dishes out a loaded good speak sound-bite-able line of propaganda, he makes this smirk.

#12 Re: Not So Free Chat » President Bush - about bush » 2003-01-08 00:25:47

hehehe hayday in the 80's?

hehehehehe

Stock market crash.  Recession.  High unemployment.  record deficit.
My father was disabled.  The 80's were the year he saw his disability income halfed.  Thats when my mother had to start working.

Our economy is based on consumers.

Poor and middle class are high consumers.  They generally save little.  Adding more money into the pockets of consumers adds more money into the economy.

The upper class are savers.  they, generally speaking, purchase assets and hold them.  This takes money out of circulation.

Consumer goods and services are the life lood of our economy.  If you give tax breaks to the middle and lower classes, you will have more consumer goods and services purchased.  If you give it to the top 2%, you essentially remove it from general circulation.

#13 Re: Not So Free Chat » Astronaut Barbara Morgan - Set for Space 11/03 » 2003-01-08 00:12:23

I was in the 5th grade, in Douds Elementary, Iowa. 

The teachers had planned to play the launch in every classroom, but they had some technical difficulty.  Only the monitor in the teachers lounge/office across the hall had worked. 

I had a view out the window and across the hall into that office.  I noticed some sort of commotion.

Our teacher came in, somewhat glassy eyed and informed us that the shuttle and blown up.

At that age an event of that magnitude baffled me.

The most vivid memory I have at that age.

#14 Re: Not So Free Chat » Leaglize drugs - say what u want » 2003-01-08 00:02:48

What is the benefit to individuals and society by allowing greater use and/or access to more recreational drugs?

Are you sure that legalization will lead to greater use?  The history of prohibition would lead us to belive otherwise.  Drugs today are readily available.  Those that desire them can and will find them.

The question is, should recreational drug use be a crime?

What is the cost to society for criminalization of recreational drug use.  Do those costs warrent any damage caused by them?

#15 Re: Not So Free Chat » Leaglize drugs - say what u want » 2003-01-07 23:57:10

The fact still remains that Cannabis is still a mind-altering substance, and when you're high you make poor decisions, which endangers the safety of those around you.

Please back up this statement.

I've never seen anyone die because somecareless pot smoker had 3 bowls of cheerios. 

THC users do not lose reaction time.  When you drink alchohol, the more you drink, the longer it takes your brain to react and the longer it takes signals from the brain to reach muscles.  This simply is not the case with THC.

#17 Re: Not So Free Chat » I herd there gonna start drafting - the draft » 2003-01-07 23:41:15

more often than most white males realize, women are discriminated against in the workplace.  I have personally witnessed this myself several times.

I had 2 business partners in the 90's.  They both had horrible notions of the place women should hold in the office. 

I worked in a medium sized corp. in Manhattan.  There was absolutely a glass ceiling in that office for women.

I once had a black business partner, and being a young boy from tennesee at the time in a very white city in the south that had just reciently ran a black family out of the public school, I inquired heavily about the situation of african american businessmen in america.


You have to understand that much of america is struggling with conflicting elements in their culture.  Although most white americans believe themselves not to be racists or sexists, racial and gender steriotypes still greatly influence our judgment of others.





Every once in a while I thank god I'm not a woman.  Women today have an Impossible standard that our culture asks them to live up to.  To be a good modern woman, a woman today must both hold the traditional roles of mother, wife, and caregiver; but in addition they must now fulfill their own career goals as well.  Add to this the pressure our culture applies to women in reguard to appearance and beauty.

#18 Re: Not So Free Chat » Can someone explain Propaganda - Speak what u like! » 2003-01-07 07:45:38

When Iraq had the chance, it used its revenues for things completely different from oil.  Like palaces.  Saddam doesnt care about feeding his people, so the US gets the blame.

bullshit
Iraq does not even control how the oil for food money is spent.

#19 Re: Not So Free Chat » Can someone explain Propaganda - Speak what u like! » 2003-01-07 03:13:58

Half a million children killed by sanctions is crap.  I dont support sanctions, but they dont kill people.  thats a myth.  iraq can get as much food as they want.  the oil-for-food limits are only in place because iraq used the money for such things as soviet garbage trucks that they converted into mobile missle launchers.

that is the only issue i have with this article.

UNICEF would not agree with you.  Why not see what they have to say about it?

Iraq can get as much food as it wants?  Why is it that there is more then enough food grown each year to feed everyone on the planet, yet people still go hungry?  There is enough food after all.  Answer this and you might get a bette understanding as to why people starved in Iraq.

The biggest killer though was not starvation, but the lack of sanitary waiste water treatment.  These plants require chemicals like chlorine that are to this day still not allowed in.  These plants were damaged or destroyed during the gulf war.  Parts and equipment needed to repair them were not allowed in to fix them.

Civilian power plants were targeted and destroyed during the Gulf War.  (This is illegal, according to the geneva convention btw)  Vital services were cut off, like water treatment and sewage treatment and hospitals.  Equipment to repair them was not allowed in.

#20 Re: Not So Free Chat » I herd there gonna start drafting - the draft » 2003-01-04 03:05:34

I agree that the military is a place where young men and women can better themselves, but not that "rich white boys" don't need that opportunity.

Have you noticed a trend?  Rich white men ruled the world for the last 3000 years, but now its reversed.  Minorities and women aren't just getting the playing field leveled, it's getting raised in their favor!  Don't get me wrong.  I don't believe in discrimination based on anything other than skill.  But I know that Martin Luther King wanted the world to be colorblind, and it appears that the color was just shifted around.

Guess were gonna have to get out the sheets again and set things right, eh?

#21 Re: Not So Free Chat » President Bush - about bush » 2003-01-03 20:21:18

how about the vast majority that said that the blast in lebanon was a failed missile?

so not only is saddam hiding WMD in Lebanon, but he is also test firing them there?  While the whole worlds watching.  And lebanon is just groovy with this you say?

#22 Re: Not So Free Chat » I herd there gonna start drafting - the draft » 2003-01-03 20:15:22

If anything, the military is one of the few governmental instutions that enable social progress and social mobility.

Rich white boys don't need the economic or social benefits as much as other non-whites, since opportunites already exsist for them- non-whites, or poor whites can use military service as a means to improve themselves and their prospective opportunites.

It is not neccessarily a bad thing, and is really a reflection of socio economics, not race.

as long as we live in a peaceful time, then yes the military is a good opportunity.

#23 Re: Not So Free Chat » North Korea - Well, someone had to start. . . » 2003-01-03 13:33:10

1: the president of the US declares you one of 3 "axis of evil"

2: the US prepares to smite the holy hell out of the first one on the "axis of evil" list, Iraq.

3: at least on the surface, Iraq tries to negotiate its way out of war to no avail.  Iraq rolls over and lets inspectors in, invites CIA operative is, practically begs the us not to beat its ass.  US does not listen, builds more troops.

4: you know you were on that list, and you might be next.

would you just sit on your hands and wait for the bombs to drop on your cities?

#24 Re: Not So Free Chat » I herd there gonna start drafting - the draft » 2003-01-03 13:22:44

The dude that was pushing for the draft was a black democrat congressman.  he underlined his statement with the fact that he wants men of all classes, including the rich white folk, to send their boys to die.

There is a diproportionate racial makeup of the military these days.

#25 Re: Not So Free Chat » President Bush - about bush » 2003-01-03 13:18:20

Which propoganda machine would you prefer I listen to?

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