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#2 Re: Not So Free Chat » Do you think we'll ever see arcologies? » 2007-07-02 09:08:29

Well, it has to be financially viable; there has to be an economic need for it. And the construction costs of an arcology would be HUGE.

#3 Re: Human missions » Mining Phobos » 2007-05-28 10:07:39

Hi wjfox2007, welcome to newmars.

Thanks. 8)




Here is one idea for you ...

Space Colonization Using Space-Elevators from Phobos
http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi. … 074809.pdf

Any terminus of a space elevator will likely become a major hub of activity in the economy of the solar system.

I had a look through that PDF and there's some interesting stuff there.

However, I'm still curious about the exact geological properties of Phobos and the specific types of materials it holds. I'm a little confused, as some articles seem to imply there's little incentive to go there - other than perhaps to establish a refueling station - whilst others (such as the one you've posted) imply there are huge amounts of valuable metal that could be extracted.

From what I understand, Phobos is similar to a C-type asteroid (?). There's a layer of loose regolith and dust around 10-100m thick covering the surface. Below this are volatiles and possibly water/ice, contained within veins and pockets throughout the interior, making Phobos a somewhat porous body with relatively low density.

But what, then, about the actual metals and minerals? I thought C-type asteroids didn't have much valuable metal and therefore wouldn't be very profitable? I've heard silicon mentioned but what else? And how could these be extracted? Sorry if I'm sounding a bit confused here...




Phobos also has that huge crater that is just crying out for a dome.

It would have to be a massive dome! About 25 times bigger than the Millenium Dome here in London. I can't see that happening for at least a couple of centuries. My novel takes place between 2050 and 2200, so maybe I could incorporate this idea into the later chapters.

As I explained above though, my problem right now is figuring out the earliest stages of the novel and the moon's value in terms of initial gathering of resources, the establishment of operations there, etc. Once I've got this figured out, the large-scale infrastructure and hi-tech projects should be quite easy to describe.




You might be interested in this discussion ...

Can a small body be given an atmosphere?
http://newmars.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=5339

Again, I could incorporate something like this into the later stages of my novel. Thanks for the link.




You might also like to read the book _Mining the Sky_ by John S. Lewis.  It has lots of near-future speculation you'll likely find useful.

Good luck with your writing project!

I actually started reading that recently. It's pretty complicated though and a bit hard-going in places. Although well-written and informative, it's not something that's easy to "dip into". smile



Yes let me also say welcome to NewMars!

Thanks. 8)




Another classic SF story involving Phobus is Kim Robinson's Mars Trilogy, if you haven't read these books then do so RIGHT NOW smile

One of the key characters, an engineer called Arkady Bogdanov, sets up a base on Phobus while the others establish a settlement on Mars. He does all sorts of interesting things to the moon including building a railway around its equator. Lot's of technical details and great characters make the story work well.

It just so happens that I've read the entire trilogy - and they were my favourite books of all time! It's been nearly 10 years since I read them though, and I can't remember many of the specific details about Phobos. I remember the Space Elevator and what eventually happens to it, but that's about it. smile

#4 Re: Human missions » Mining Phobos » 2007-05-27 15:32:03

Hi all

What are your thoughts on the commercial mining and colonization of Phobos?

Is it feasible, and when/how do you think it might happen? What sort of equipment, hardware etc. would have to be used? Could Phobos be used for any other purposes, besides mining? And how much do we already know about the moon, its surface composition and other characteristics?

I'm writing a science fiction novel right now (the first novel I've ever worked on), and I'm hoping to get it published. But I'm desperate for information on Phobos and the utilization of its resources. Google and Wikipedia have provided a few snippets of information, but not really enough.

Any information or suggestions you can provide would be much appreciated! smile

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