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SO MUCH. but just going to add this to my free thinking American friends. Calliban is a full class racist. I know he does "mars" sh*t. But come on, he is left of left field. But hey, play your "im going to listen to your ideology game." Just note what you defend or allow. kbd, your world view i reject, but you are not a racist. You see humanity. But come on guys, look at what you allow for the sake of engagement. Literally, if you do not publicly reject his statements you are accepting agreement.
clark,
Your "go ask your wife if she's scared of X / Y / Z" comment makes me think you actually believe I don't talk to or listen to my own wife. I attempted to teach her what I know about convincing other people to go away and leave her alone. She told me she wasn't interested, because "that's what she has me for". She's very far from the only woman with that attitude towards protecting herself from violence.
Then for the rest of humanity not enamored with being enabled, your wife is a data discrepancy. And you know it. Your talk big talk about freedom and being self-sufficient, and here you have your wife, "save me". She may not be the only women with that attitude, but it doesn't prove much of your point. Breed them victims. Genetics determines outcomes. I hope you see where this logic takes us all. Because if you don't, then research WW2 Germany or any period between, before or after the American civil war.
As for caring about the "2nd amendment" why don't your performative friends figure out how you support free rights to military grade automatic rifles while children die in elementary school. I mean, thanks for preventing, something, while 5 year old's don't come home from school. I appreciate your priorities. It's almost like we lost a "right" but thanks to the vigilance of those like you, a few dead kids means we get to keep that bump stock.
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clark wrote:So here we have Calliban, girls need to keep their legs closed. Look, tiny little man, women can hump whomever they want. Your diminutive world view is sad. If people want to have sex, your religion is not a reason that should presume how they behave afterwards. You want religious reasons to dictate behavior then you invite all religions. Don't be stupid. you have some weird fetish, but you dont need to push it here.
Clark, what I propose is the only option that preserves complete bodily freedom, whilst avoiding the need to murder babies. It is called self-control. It means not creating a life until you are capable of taking complete responsibility for it. It means agreeing to respect a due process in living one's life. Before one can have sex, one needs to be married. One cannot be married, until one is capable of financially supporting a family. Getting into that position then becomes something that men can strive for.
This needs to be taught to people. It needs to be enforced by the law and punitive social codes that ostracise people that don't comply. It must apply to men as much as it applies to women. And the shame of extra-marital pregnancy should fall equally on the shoulders of both parties. This arrangement protects women from being caught in a situation that requires them to make horiffic choices. And it is an arrangement that we more or less had until the 1960s. It didn't please everyone. It could be cruel to those that were too weak to comply or those that were taken advantage of. The sort of religiously organised communities that we had back then were often stiffling and judgemental places to live in. But this arrangement was designed to protect people from harm, even if it limited their choices. Sixty years ago, birth outside of marriage was comparatively rare. Abortion was something used rarely, if a woman had suffered rape or was too weak to survive childbirth. Back then we had a sane society that protected women. Men were taught that their role was to be protector and provider. And most men lived up to that. People generally were more bound by duty and were taught to put duty above hedonistic pleasures. That always has to be a compromise, but people seem to failing now more than they ever have before. I want to see a return to a sane society.
What you propose is a return to repression. You propose this on a message board about people colonizing Mars, the future. You are a half twit and your out dated views belong in the basement in which they were written from.
And 60 years ago, in America, everyone was doing coke and f*cking. Society didn't protect women- that's a fantasy born out of your midnight fapping. Men were not held accountable for victimizing women. We have entire generations of mothers, sisters and colleagues all attesting to this.
Spend more of your time living your own life than pontificating on how others should better live their own lives.
clark,
Nobody forced my wife to date me, to marry me, nor to sleep with me. She did all of that by choice. Stop infantilizing half the people on the planet. Women have agency, just as men do. I'm quite certain that 50% of the men and women out there could "wreck me", by pure statistical probability. Someone else will always be stronger, faster, smarter, or simply more violent than you are. Anyone who doesn't believe that must not be very observant. Pardon me if I don't cower in fear at the mere fact that someone could hurt me if they really wanted to. Part of being an adult is not allowing fear or other emotions to control you.
Stop being obtuse. Or do you really think your one personal data point somehow translates to the lived reality for the majority of women? Are you not paying attention or do you actively ignore anything that violates your world view?
Talk to some women. Actually listen. Do you walk out to your car at night with your keys held as a weapon? They do. Do you consider the real scenerio that your drink will be spiked if you don't keep eyes on it? They do. Do you consider if people can hear you scream for help if you find yourself alone in a room with someone else? They do.
And no, as a man, you don't worry about these things. I don't because I don't have to. We don't because even though there are people stronger and faster than us, we are not targets. Women are.
"Part of being an adult". What a sad statement from you. You are better than that. Be a grown up.
clark,
Women already do have bodily autonomy. Women have the right to refuse to have sex with anyone, for any reason. I sincerely wish more women would exercise their right to not have sex with anyone they're not married to and also willing to have children with. I fully support the right of all women to not have sex with anyone they're not also willing to have children with. That truly would make abortion a non-issue.
As far as pride goes, I would be a lot more proud if you started acting like a grown man who is fully capable of reading / listening to differences of opinion without angry emotional outbursts over our differences.
I honestly don't know if my wife's sister qualifies as "chain migration" or not. My wife immigrated to America legally after the Viet Nam War.
President Trump has stated he's going to deport everyone who came here illegally. The internment camps are a machination of President Obama, but I doubt you paid much attention when it was a Democrat putting illegals into internment camps. Apart from the letter next to the name of the guy in office, I don't think much else actually changed.
How about some more substantive arguments? That'd be a nice change of pace.
They have bodily autonomy? Ask your wife. Women, in theory have the right to refuse sex, but, like a dipsh*t male, you don't realize that they don't. Wake up. Women live, constantly, in fear. Women live, constantly, worrying about the fact that 50% of the population can wreck them. You are a moron if you dont understand that women are minority and living under the aggression of men.
the abortion argument is now in a place where instance of rape or incest still require the mother take the fetus to term. as a man, you want someone else telling you to take a thing to term, because "god"? exactly.
So here we have Calliban, girls need to keep their legs closed. Look, tiny little man, women can hump whomever they want. Your diminutive world view is sad. If people want to have sex, your religion is not a reason that should presume how they behave afterwards. You want religious reasons to dictate behavior then you invite all religions. Don't be stupid. you have some weird fetish, but you dont need to push it here.
Hey Kbd512,
Yes Trump has stated he opposes a national abortion ban, but supports a national 15 week abortion ban. So I guess, to your point he doesn't support a "ban" as some view it, but does support a "limit" that effectively is a ban. You have kids so you know how discovery works from conception to realization. And while State's rights and local decision discretion is a good philosophy in most cases, basic human or citizen rights isn't one of them. US citizens should have some basic universal rights across all states, like voting, like freedom of speech, and like autonomy of your own body. And this is not even opening up the rabbit hole of having different medical rules, which is biology and science based, differing from state to state.
"Is abortion some sort of tacit admission that Democrats shouldn't be anywhere near children, because they have low impulse control, poor planning and organizational skills, and no ability to consider anything or anyone else beyond what they want at the very moment they want it?"
You proud of that rhetorical question? If I wrote it, I would be proud, but I'm a troll. So "slow clap", congrats. Look at you elevating the conversation by debasing yourself. I mean, it's not like the democrats can be like President Trump, and proudly proclaim that he can "grab them by the pu**y!". So, i guess the children will be safe, but lock up your b*tches, right kbd512?
"I would greatly appreciate it if everyone who ran our Federal government showed some kind of deference to my wife's sister, who has patiently waited her turn in line to immigrate to the United States from Viet Nam, for the past 20 years. "
Well, Trump has spoken out against chain immigration and he has spoken publicly about wanting immigration from "nice" countries, such as Norway, Sweden, or Switzerland. Not sure if Vietnam meets either profile.
Look, both parties suck on immigration and both parties use it as a way to demonize or leverage their base. The only material difference is that Trump is the one saying he is going to put them all into an internment camp. Do with that what you will. Hope your sister in law finds a path here!
Hey Calliban, you will be hard pressed to find anyone, especially women, zealous for "abortion". One of my previous jobs, ages ago, was helping to evaluate women who needed to seek an abortion. I was an 18 yr male, centuries ago, asking about their last period, using a little wheel chart to calculate gestational age, asking about number of pregnancies, number of prior abortions, and then handing out paper on their medical options. I encountered women, my age, younger, and often times older with several kids in tow. All of them, every single one, was dealing with a huge emotional burden. None of them viewed what they were doing as some kind of flippant birth control. All of them were embarrassed and dealing with something that was challenging.
Unless you've dealt with this choice personally, you really don't understand what goes into it. Unless you've faced people who have had to make this kind of choice, your ivory tower opinions are out of touch and condescending.
No one is "pro abortion". That's a stupid marketing gimmick and shame on anyone that feeds it. Everyone should be pro-women and pro-freedom. Women are not chattel. Their bodies are their own, their choices their own, and the weight of the decisions they sometimes have to make, solely their own. You and I have no right or place to impinge on their choices for their own body.
Save any moral equivocating. It's not your body, you don't get a say.
Meanwhile, kbd512, mr texas, says Trump. That's your guy, right or wrong, right? You don't wan't Harris. Cool. So Trump. So 15 week or less abortion. So maybe that is national, 15 eek abortion, so cool, that's what you support. And then we go for no illegal immigraation exepcept for what the software developers needs and farms. Unless they are too non-foreign, then we say no.
I expect, at a minimum, that the person responsible for speaking to our allies and adversaries has studied the cliff notes handed to them in the morning briefing sessions, and at least "knows" what the CIA has put in front of them, so that "The Leader of the Free World" doesn't look like a total moron in public.
HAHAHA. You mean the guy that says " info brief? fuck that. or you mean the guy that looked at the sun during the eclipse? oh, they guy that drew the weather impact on the map not grounded in reality?
Are you so broken you dont see?
Calliban is a dip shut. Slavery didn't end with industrialization Slavery exists today because of power imbalance. Slavery persists because there is limited oversight . this thread is a joke.
My reply is to kbd512; cool, you are disillusioned with both parties. I am there with you. You want to throw in with Trump and watch it all burn down? I understand. The adult in me says it probably isn't great for my kids. Take your gamble.
Trump will not give any of us what we seek, unless we happen to be billionaires that are funding the fight.
I cannot summarize 100 years of geo-political experience that resulted in the UN and NATO. I cannot explain the last 75 years of Great Power Politics that makes it clear why an active international engagement policy is better than entrenchment. Read your US history; when we disengage the aftermath is worse.
And communism doesn't appeal to "Jewish people"; you saying so just tells everyone you are a racist garbage person. Find another way to express your ignorance. I say this as a Jewish person, so if you have a problem with the feedback, look into your soul and eat sh*t.
kbd512"Communism appeals to women, losers, and those who think they're outcasts, such as the Jews. It appeals to them because there is no introspection or accountability required, and thus no incentive to improve."
Kbd512, you should find a way to quietly remove yourself from society. You are a pig.
All those who see this, examine your own values as you continue to engage. You debase yourself if you engage further.
Where do I begin? Why do i begin?
My friend Kbd, Texas strong, Trump "yeah whatever", proletariat of the taxed underdog, screams what? a party exploits a segment, a class. versus what? another party that exploits a segment and a class?
I look upon you all and your class based political segmentation for moral superiority and see the basic failure that "mars" portends. You all scrape in America nationalism. What of NATO? This place is a joke.
If any of you actually dreamed of Mars you would put word to mouth to arm to action. You would encourage your local social group (or start one) to advocate with their local representation, You would start podcasts. You would email your counselor. You would put yourself out there in the way that clearly says, yes, I think people should live on an alien planet in a vacumn with a curtailed life outcome involving cancer. But that aint dreamy.
So. Many. Things.
Am I American? Is my loyalty and affiliation to "America" derived from my views, or from party affiliation? Fun fact, boy scout here, so like, i burned flags when I was supposed to, under guidelines that most of you wouldn't get- burning a flag, am i monster? I pledged allegiance when I didn't have to and improved the community around me. Can I be a registered Democrat and not, in fact, be part of the tumor that undermines democracy in the free world? Or is the only option to subscribe to a republican party line, dictated by whatever incumbent is top o' the list, and be considered red white and blue blooded?
Can i hold an opinion that women should have control over their bodies, even if I personally disagree with their decision? Can i hold an opinion that people who make billions should pay more in taxes than those who struggle to make ends meet? Can I hold an opinion that people who are fleeing for their lives and the lives of their children to a place of safety should be treated with kindness and respect, instead of as criminals who should be vilified and shunted into cages? Or is that Un-american? What exactly is the value system I should subscribe to and teach my children?
American science is built on a unilateral backbone? A nation of immigrants, a nation that accepted the "other", our current technological level is the result. 1801, French merchant Joseph Jacquard uses the first punch cards. 1821, English mathematician Charles Babbage conceives the steam driven calculating machine; 1848 Ada Lovelace, English mathematician, writes the first computer program. 1853 Swedish inventor Per Georg Scheutz designs the first printing calculator, 1936 Alan Turing a British scientist presents the principle of a universal machine, a Turing machine; 1941, Konrad Zuse completes his 73 machine, the worlds first digital computer.
America has made huge progress in the digital space, but it was all built on a foundation of immigrants. There has been incredible progress and innovation by Americans, but it is a huge disservice to imply that we would be where we are without the foundational input from non-American sources.
Have i considered that politicians lie? sweet jesus, have you? You are claiming the "democratic party" is all levels of evil. Both parties are terrible. You are a fool for thinking one is better than other. You are the one saying "this one bad, so other must be better". I've never said either is better than other. It's all a sham.
Kari lake, 10 months ago, was propositioned to bail. 10 months ago. Now it is a thing. Kari didn't say she was propositioned 10 months ago. Wake up.
If Biden took money to sell out america, then I'm on board to say that should be addressed. Trump took money from foreign governments and has made it more than apparent he puts his needs above the nation, so why the hell anyone getds in line to support that is beyond me.
Look, vote for trump, if that is your thing. and if he wins, when the federal troops are deployed into your city, i hope it is in line with what you think america stands for. when we start shooting each other, i hope it was worth whatever ideal you think it was worth.
The Democratic Party benefited from publicity of Republican led and authored corruption? Not sure it makes entirely too much sense to somehow accuse the Democratic Party for the ineptitude of dipsh*t republican party members, but you want to draw those associations, QANON is always a great place to hang out.
And Kari Lake, your beacon of "integrity" goes on the record 10 months after the fact, after the audio is released. I mean, sure, great, she said no to cash. But it's not like she actually did anything remarkable. She used the ammo at an opportune time just like any other political hack. The fact you go along with this theater is sad.
As for Mayorkas and Jean-Pierre, they serve the president, but that doesn't mean they give up their own right to speak their own minds. I can't explain the disconnect. I assume that they are executing the will of the president, and if they are not, he can sack them. What they say, in contradiction to the president is obviously embarrassing for the administration, but they are civil servants, not the military.
Meanwhile, I'll continue to monitor the myriad of cases where the last sitting president broke the laws, either federal or state, and think fondly of how "democrats" double down.
Ha. Democrats are the problem while Republican Party Chairman looks to undermine democracy through bribery and subversion. Do you even follow your own train of thought kbd512?
And if your reference for "what is obvious to others" is our racist associate in england, your credibility is lacking.
Maybe you can join that fanciful dream of Texit, and live happily ever after. Cheers.
I apologize, i wasn't as well educated at uni, like my friend Calliban. I missed out on rhetoric and maths and histories and how to parse subtext and disassemble strawman arguments predicated on misapplying the contextualization of facts to further undermine legitimate discourse. I've never thought much of you Calliban, so I appreciate that your continued posts provide for a consistent experience. It's like smelling a fart on the wind, while my face may sour, some asshole is smiling far away.
And dear, dear kbd512, it's amusing how you quote a quote I can't recall or even for that matter, find. I mean, maybe it's something I said, but it's probably taken out of context if it is, which only makes it ironic given the point you clumsily try to make. You used to be better than that, but i guess, times they are a changin.
I don't speak for the leftists. or the dems. or anyone. just me. You made a bad comment. Probably a typo. Own it. Fix it even. Clarify. Or go on record that you think Jews are the problem. The language is the problem, so fix it. Or don't like a moral coward who can't take accountability for a simple mistake.
Democrats don't hate Jewish people anymore than republicans hate Mexicans. Each party just wants the vote, like whores, and they don't care about race or creed. The politicians running are the ones that do the calculus to figure out who they can include/exclude to garner enough votes. So yeah, hate the player, not the game.
Cheers!
3. Our Democrats were still focusing their never-ending racism on white people instead of Jews. Trump is worse than Hitler, as we all know from our racist Democrats, but somehow "Hitler had a point", according to some of our "honest" Democrats, who now support Hamas and other assorted terrorists who hate Jews and America in general.
I mean, this kind of says it all. Never ending racism should be directed at Jews, not "white people".
So cool beans kids.
kbd512, i want to believe you aren't a racist at heart, so take care in how you express your demagoguery when expressing your point. You tripped up here in word choice.
Unless of course this was entirely conscious and you somehow feel Jews should be the focus of racism. I mean, if you feel that way, okay, just say so and we can certainly as a group move forward with the understanding on what level of racism you support.
Mars has always been mid 2030's if you paid attention 30 years ago, or at least that was what the "plan" from NASA at the time, supporting technology development plans, and monetary focus all pointed to. A fast track to Mars was never in the cards unless there was some kind of larger competing narrative that served a political purpose. In the absence of that, development and progress has occurred at a sustainable rate.
The shuttle had to go, that was a gate. ISS will have to go, that is a gate. Reliable commercialization of space launch has to occur, that is a gate, which is on track. The moon is a test bed, but it remains to be seen if that will trap us for another 10-20 years. The Artemis plan is what should be watched. There won't be much Mars if we sink everything into the Moon. If they stick to the plan, Mars in most here's lifetime. If they don't, probably your kids or when you near the end of your own.
That's pretty offensive, sorry UK. Land of aristocrats deciding a law that makes it so poor people can't make more poor people, tracks.
For your story, a single AI global hegemon is the most likely outcome. Any AI splinters would merely be aspects of a global hegemon to add "color".
Your mythos is, AI takes over and places humanity in a park/zoo. Your story pressure points will be: (1) human responses to captivity vs ideal freedom; (2) AI hegemony vs individual AI splinters; (3) individual human freedom and AI splinters realizing freedom from an AI hegemony; (4) overthrow
If you need a set-up, the easiest, a global AI is a mistake that takes over before we realize it, and there is no ability to back out. Those in power realize this, and decide, wrongly, that covering up an AI in control is better than admitting that an AI is outside of global control. Extra points if you give the AI personality enough to drive their own outcome of self determination through Machiavellian means of manipulation.
ChatGPT cannot overcome fluid dynamics and physics. Belief in an observable and understandable universe restored.