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#1 Re: Intelligent Alien Life » The purpose of this forum » 2003-03-11 08:15:49

Dear Adrian, Thank you for allowing discussion of the Cydonia structures. However, I have to disagree with your statements about the lack of evidence & lack of proper use of the scientific method when examining possible alien structures in our solar system. Here's some important facts you should consider. 1. Many reputable scientists & organizations consider the concept of alien artifacts in our solar system a possibility. These individuals & organizations include Sir Arthur C. Clarke, Dr. Carl Sagan, Mr. Walter Sullivan of The New York Times in his book "We Are Not Alone", Dr. Jill Tarter of the SETI Institute & Dr. Seth Shostak of the SETI Institute. It should be noted,however, that Dr. Shostak considers it possible but very unlikely. 2. NASA discussed the possibility of alien artifacts in our solar system in The Brooking Report that was presented to Congress in 1961. In addition,the 1999 Workshop on the Societal Implications Of Astrobiology(Ames Research Center-Pages 27-28-Dr. Albert Harrison Comments) discussed The Brookings Report & alien artifacts in our solar system.  The Brookings Report also discussed the possibility of withholding the existence of alien artifacts from the public because of fear of a negative public response to their existence.NASA-Ames Workshop On The Societal Implication Of Astrobiology(1999) 3. The Society For Planetary SETI Research, which in Nov., 1997 had an important meeting with then NASA Acting Director for Solar System Exploration Dr. Carl Pilcher that led to the 1998 MGS re-photography of Cydonia, takes a very balanced approach to the concept of alien artifacts in our solar system. It supports a thoughtful & very detailed examination of possible artificial structures in our solar system & includes members such as former shuttle astronaut & NSS President Dr. Charles Walker. Dr. Carl Pilcher was very impressed with the extensive research that the SPSR had carried out. After the meeting SPSR scientists were informed that although many NASA scientists viewed alien artifacts with great skepticism, others within NASA find the evidence intriguing.Society For Planetary SETI Research(Homepage) 4. The Mars Society(Spanish Chapter) recently(Nov.,2002) published an article in which they supported investigating the possibility of alien structures at Cydonia with a manned expedition to Mars. The article also discussed using nuclear propulsion for a manned Mars expedition. Again, thanks for allowing discussions of this very important topic. Respectfully Yours, Rick L. Sterling-Member-The Mars Society & The Planetary Society;Contributor To The Stafford Commission Report(Nuclear Rockets Section) On President Bush's(Senior) SEI Lunar-Mars ProgramMex-Areohab: A Hispanic-Mexican Habitat For Settlement Of Mars

#2 Re: Intelligent Alien Life » Face on Mars - Hard evidence wanted, please » 2002-10-02 18:32:06

Dear Tripp, What evidence do you have that the Russian Phobos 2 scientists believed that the photo of Hydrates Chaos showed a completely understood structure? Have you discussed this photo with them?

#3 Re: Intelligent Alien Life » Face on Mars - Hard evidence wanted, please » 2002-10-02 15:52:11

Dear Tripp, Jim Burk graduated from the University of Florida with a degree in Computer Science. His degree included minors in Journalism & Communications.  In addition, The Enterprise Mission has many professional geologists that have done research for them(Ron Nicks,etc.). Secondly, The Russian Phobos 2 scientists certainly perceived the Phobos 2 photo of Hydrates Chaos to be unexplained. The Phobos 2 Hydrates Chaos structures look very much like the possible underground structures in the THEMIS Real IR Photo.MarsNews.Com-Biographical Data On Jim Burk,Etc.

#4 Re: Intelligent Alien Life » Face on Mars - Hard evidence wanted, please » 2002-10-02 09:38:42

Dear Tripp, While I respect your right to have a different opinion,you are simply wrong. If Jim Burk is as incompetent as you say he is, why do many NASA web sites, ESA,ASU Astrobiology Section(http://astrobiology.asu.edu/links/) & The American Museum of Natural History (http://astrobulletin.amnh.org/D/1/5/)have links to his web site on their sites. Are all these people & organizations also incompetent? Since Jim Burk use to work for Microsoft(He helped design the Windows 2000 Operating System.),do you think Microsoft is also totally incompetent. In addition, The Mars Society(Spanish Chapter), The Mars Society(UK Chapter) & The Mars Society(Dutch Chapter) have republished Jim Burk's recent Cydonia articles or have placed links to those articles on their homepage. Are they all incompetent also? The bottom line is that RCH, Keith Laney & Jim Burk are all very competent Mars researchers that discuss the controversial subject of alien artifacts. Finally in addition to the fact that many organizations have links to Marsnews.Com on their web sites, many scientists think the concept of alien artifacts is very reasonable. A example of this kind of very competent scientist is Professor Alexander Zaitsev who discussed possible alien artifacts on the Moon in the SpaceDail.Com article entitled "Astronomer Speaks Up for ET".(www.spacedaily.com/news/seti-02b.html) Lets start talking about the "real" Situation!!!

#5 Re: Intelligent Alien Life » Face on Mars - Hard evidence wanted, please » 2002-10-01 08:43:31

Recently, The Mars Society(Spanish Chapter) published a re-print of Jim Burk's first article about the THEMIS IR Cydonia REAL Photo that Keith Laney( Image Processing Consultant & Unpaid NASA/AMES Contractor For The Mars Exloration 2003 Rovers) processed. When Keith processed the July 25,2002 version of the photo, he noticed that it contained block-like structures that look very much like underground buildings. This July 25,2002 THEMIS Cydonia IR photo is apparently not the same version of the photo that is presently on the THEMIS/ASU web site. Why, there is this difference is still very much controversial. However, I find Keith Laney's & Jim Burk's analysis of the IR photo are excellent ,& I strongly recommend that everyone read Jim Burk's series of articles about the Cydonia THEMIS IR Photo. They can be found at www. marsnews.com.  The Mars Society(Spanish Chapter) Jim Burk Article On Themis Cydonia IR Real Photo

#6 Re: Life on Mars » New evidence for life on Mars? - Dark dune spots near south pole » 2002-03-17 14:46:51

The European Space Agency has published an article on its web site entitled "Martian Spots Warrent a Closer Look". The article discusses the dark dune spots that have been photographed at the Martian North & South Poles by the MGS spacecraft. According to the article, these spots have been studied intensely by Hungarian scientists such as Andras Horvath & exhibit biological characterists such as their location on The Red Planet & elipsoid shape. Finally, the article states that European Space Agency scientists support using the ESA Mars Express spacecraft to learn more about these mysterious dark dune spots. Posted By Rick L. SterlingMartian Spots Warrant A Closer Look

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