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#1 Re: Terraformation » Thoughts on producing an atmosphere on the Moon » 2006-02-15 04:07:37
srmeaney you are crazy to think China will take the moon from America! As soon as the first commie sum set foot on the moon the American people will demand that are government get to work and keep the moon for America.
Also Australia would side with its Anglishs brothers America, Cannada, Angland, and New zealand over and China commie sum. As a American I alwise thought of the fellow Anglic countrys of freinds. Also if Australia turned its back on a Anglish speaking country Americans would feel bad but it would have little effect on the US economy. China is also very dependent on the US for its developing economy, it would be unwise at this early stage to force America embargo on them. The US could easy force other countrys to embrgo china too. Chinas economy would be set back years, hurting their chances to get to the moon. America could easly just buy cheap goods from other developing countrys who would be more than happy to lick are boots clean. An economic embrgo would only hurt The US economy for a short time, we would just find new country to use. In a short time America would better than ever. But china closed off from the world would fall apart like the soviet Union did.
No China not powerful enough to show its cards, they of crouse don't mind waiting a 100 yrs, once their economy is powerful then it will make its move. China thinks that the US will decline like the rest of the west, since America still young it will take longer than Europe did. But with great leaders like GWB America wont be cowering for peace any time soon.
Also why did you bring by the US, China relation in a post about the moon? Please post that in the political forums. Also it a neat idea about amino acid air but please you dont have to blame America for every one of your troubles.
FYI America doing great, thats why you hate us so much. Why don't you just make another movie about crock hunters and shut up. I dont care about Asutralia, dont make Americans mad at you or we will liberate you like did to Iraq.
America is the Earth government, lick are boots or we will kick you like some stry dog. God Bless the USA!and Germany, Chile, and Bangcock. The best places on Earth.
Where have you learned English? Even if I am a non-native speaker, i think your written English sucks!
#2 Re: Terraformation » Funding for terraforming » 2006-02-14 15:26:28
Hello,
Actually, I wasn't inferring about property rights on Mars, simply as to where the funds for a potential terraforming project might come from.
Cordially,
EarthWolf
Inheritance taxes. Maybe 90 % :-) for all over 1 million $. Can be renamed to: "Terraforming for mars-tax". Planetwide of course. The only way to avert it for the wealthy is to resettle to mars with all their assets.
#3 Re: Terraformation » Projected Marsian Population? » 2006-02-14 14:37:18
All that is why I think it's a good idea. Mars will be where the next leaps can happen. It can be, given enough energy per capita, a true terra nova, where land taken is not taken away from someone already living there. It can be like the USA, except without the somewhat bloody past. (Though, to be accurate, 95% of all aboriginals in the USA died from disease, not war. But even so.) That, and having another, totally new planet for people is why for me.
I'm not exactly sure on population carrying capacity, but my WAG would be somewhere around 100 million - because of the resource problems and energy requirements.
More like Canada than the US. Wide, cold and barren countryside with a few big cities in more heavily populated narrow corridors. Or even more like Sibiria. I think Sibiria has about 20 million inhabitants and is about 1/4 of the landmass of mars. 100 millions sounds about right :-).
For that matter I don't think the mars could stand a resource drain like todays US on earth. Additionally, there is no China on Mars either from were all the cheap good stuff comes from. So, guess Mars turns out very much like Sibiria. People are crowded and lead a very modest live in crowded grey cities. Don't think the whole similarity between wild west and mars is appropriate either.
#4 Re: Terraformation » Mars Needs Nitrogen » 2006-02-13 03:28:24
Shaun,
Higher than normal amounts of UV plants and animal life can adapt to, such as high elevations on earth.
But on mars the problem is not just UV at 50X earth levels, but gama rays, x rays, cosmic rays, charged particles etc that mars blocks little to none.
All of those radiations are life destroying, on earth most are deflected by the magnetic field.
Increase those sets or radiation even 1% or 2% on earth and the extinctions and mutations would be massive, maybe even global extinction for everything.A thicker atmosphere on mars will help a lot with UV but little with the rest.
We can probably engineer bacteria to do some of the work to steer mars to a new direction, but first it will have to be safe enough for the bacteria to live long enough to do something.
Warming mars then making it a radiation safe place might be the first 2 mandatory steps to teraforming.
Reb,
I agree..Making mars a safer place to begin with, then set up shop on mars to complete it sounds like the way to go.
The colonist can complete the place as they see fit.
In the final outcome mars might resist any change we attempt, the colonist might have to learn to live with mars as is.
That is not such a bad thing as I'm sure mars is already a spectacular place as is.
karov,
Not a bad plan at all.
Highway, electricity and magnetic field all rolled into one.
Don't think that it is true that you need a magnetic field. At least not in the conventional meaning. Earth had, and soon will again, have periods were the global magnetic field weakened and collapsed. Every 150000 years or so. So, no big deal. Seems it hadn't much of a consequence. New scientific data indicate that after a collapse a magnetic field in the ionosphere was created that acted like a planetery magnet field. So, seems only a large enough atmosphere is necessary for protection.
#5 Re: Terraformation » Rapid Terraforming... - ...the most ambitious ideas? » 2006-02-08 07:15:17
Try crashing some Kuiper Belt objects into Mars,
Maybe 2 at a time to nullify the momentum.
Extra mass, lot of water and ammonia
Instant heat and atmosphere ?
Well, the suggestion of crashing Phobos might actually be inevitable. Phobos will shortly crash or rather brake up anyway, in about 100000 years. If a terraforming effort is undertaken it will be sooner rather than later. Phobos might not be the best candidate regarding composition, but excellent as a test object. As I know Phobos has lots of water, which always come in handy on Mars :-). 20 kilometre diametre is also something that can scratch the Marsian surface and maybe even more water evaporate from the marsian surface. That might be enough to trigger the melting of the polar caps. I could imaging crashing Phobos, which already is very close to Mars, can be done rather easily. I think that is the first thing we should do before trying anything else.
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