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It was Stalin who destroyed the dream. The end result with Lenin was good was what he sold.
Lenin was a murderous thug who seeked power in Russia by force and purged out the competition to build his ideal socialist society. Sounds to me like some visions are bad IF they're carried out by force. The communal idea has been around since Plato's Republic, and Jesus advocated a moneyless, unselfish and greedless society. I agree with the idea, but the means were horrible and very contemptable. That said, the communal idea must start with reforming the egoistical sex-crazed culture of ours into a more science and learning-centered one.
That said, I also LOVE this country but HATE the obsessions of sex and money in our current society. The idealism is there, but I think that Mars could help revitalize the morals and courage of the people of Earth to explore and colonize elsewhere. It also gives us the opportunity to build the society based on science, learning, and understanding, real long-term success. It would permanently kill off our sex, money, and ego-driven society, or at least this is my hope.
Spaceman2020, the citizens of a future Martian colony wouldn't owe anything of themselves to the overall society?
--Cindy
Not necesarily, when I say individual rights, I'm talking about the God-given rights of free speech, press, religion, gun rights, etc. Man is supposed to live in a society, that's how we trade and learn. So man gives his talents to his society through the free market, others do the same, this causes interdependence. Man is not dependent on his image of "society", but he's interdependent with his fellow man and the "free market". Hopefully that's not confusing to you.
idiom, rights guarantee that man can live in this colony without fear of being killed or having his rights (free speech, press, religion, gun rights, etc.) taken away. Duties keep man from having an incredibly inflated ego by giving him a check on his impact on society. (Look at the current global society without a sense of moral duty. It's based on "me" and "I". No wonder that real morals and real family values are disappearing from the world and the definitions of "happiness, real, and love" are disappearing) They're both necessary and co-dependent on each other.
here's my idea: interdependent communities (religious or philosophical) w/ free-market and direct democracy united by a non-bureaucratic global republic led by geniuses. I see it like this: different people from all over the world would go to Mars. Some would be religious pilgrims, some political exiles, some idealists, and they could establish non-militaristic city-states where they practice their religion freely or build the society of their dreams, and they would be connected to the global republic by the Martian internet. So it's kind of like Leifur's and Grypd's ideas put together.
Individual rights should be paramount on Mars, without it you'd have a USSR-like society.
hey y'all
I agree with Rockie and say we need this company idea of his to press onward, and I'm interested in coming on board. I think I could be a valuable member of this team. I'd need some more info first. Just drop me an email. My email is Hcks15@netscape.net.
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