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I don't see why this would be exclusively a Mars problem and going to the Moon or trucking around LEO in circles will solve these issues
micro gravity
Mars G = 1/3 of E while Moon gravity is one-sixth
galactic space radiation
Very same problem on the Moon
systems reliability
A non-issue for me ? How can you say something is unreliable if its never been flown. All we have to go on are the reliability of Apollo, Skylab, Shuttle, ISS etc and the figures for some Russian missions
toxicity of Martian dust (hexavalent chromium)
Lunar dust is also toxic, heck even coal mines on Earth are toxic but that doesn't stop people working there. Mars should be about human colonizations, if only send robots for these next few decades I think humans will have failed too evolve and we might be better off accepting androids as our new leaders like the scifi stories.
Does anyone know how many Gs the craft will be subjected to? Just wondering if it could be modified to carry humans.
Maybe something like this :
Leave the manned launches to the UnitedStates/Russia and continue evolving the concept as ATV as a cargo ship
India has great potential
but I'm not sure it has much to offer the United States at this time other than being a cheap outsourcing destination
Blown Launch of AMC-14 Satellite Could Delay HD Expansion
http://www.broadcastingcable.com/article/ca6540928.html
Proton Breeze M rocket suffered its second failure in six months
Copenhagen police arrest six in fifth night of riots
http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5g1z … cnFhHCpuxA
Thousands of supporters of the Islamist group Hamas protested in the Gaza Strip on Friday against the reprinting of a cartoon of the Prophet Mohammad that sparked Muslim outrage two years ago.
http://news.yahoo.com/i/721;_ylt=AvOPb7 … oLc0Rn.3QA
What if the first space colony is speaking Chinese
http://www.newmars.com/forums/viewtopic … 39&start=0
a red-Moon and then China sticks its flag into Mars ?If the first person on Mars is Chinese so be it they will get the applause and the great PR. But it will come down to who actually colonizes the planet and Mars is a big place. There may well be a Chinese colony, A USA one, Russian, Indian and European as well. Even I hope a Scottish one but it depends on technology we dont have and changes to the worlds political structures.
Still im doubtful that the Chinese as they are have the capacity to not only go to Mars but to have a colonisation programme too. Im even doubtful that the Chinese will be able to keep pace with the world they are expanding now but this only increases pressures on there country and costs increase. There bubble may well burst.
I think the Spanish culture is strongest, it will dominate the English culture
http://money.cnn.com/2008/01/02/markets/oil/
Oil prices kicked off the first trading day of 2008 by hitting a new high of $100 a barrel Wednesday on violence in oil-rich Nigeria, the prospect of more interest rate cuts, a halt in Mexican imports and the expectation of yet another drop in U.S. crude supplies.
U.S. crude for February delivery jumped $4.02 to $100 a barrel on the New York Mercantile Exchange. The previous trading record was $99.29 set Nov. 20. Oil prices ended 2007 by gaining nearly 60 percent for the year, the largest jump this decade.
"This market is really gonna fly," Ira Eckstein, president of Area International Trading Corp, said from the NYMEX floor.
In Nigeria, bands of armed men invaded Port Harcourt, the center the oil industry Tuesday, attacking two police stations and raiding the lobby of a major hotel, The Associated Press reported. Four policemen, three civilians and six attackers were killed. The Niger Delta Vigilante Movement claimed responsibility for the attack.
A surprise fall in manufacturing activity sparked fears of yet another interest rate cut from the Federal Reserve. Interest rate cuts generally cause the dollar to fall - and oil prices rise - as investors bail out of U.S. equities and into commodities.
One trader said all oil exports from Mexico will be halted Friday, but the reason was unclear.
Analysts are expecting the latest government inventory report - set for release Thursday, to show a 1.8 million barrel decline in crude supplies, according to a Dow Jones poll. It would mark the seventh straight week U.S. crude stocks have dropped.
ESA Training Team ATV
http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/ESA_T … V_999.html
Where should the space program be heading?
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/news_o … ld-th.html
Huckabee would send Hillary to Mars?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxSADjBN5_k
So it will be delayed by at least 2 years ?
I fear if they miss any more windows NASA scout program might soon be dead
Another 'Hot-Jupiter' massed planet found
that's not exactly special with the number of planets found these days but it shows Corot has lots of potential yet
http://www.physorg.com/news117374095.html
some surprising results on astroseismological data, star vibrations found in 2 sun-like stars
Not much other info given
ESA lives up to its bad PR reputation
Final preparations for first human-rated spacecraft to be lauched from Europe's Spaceport
18 December 2007
For the first time in 40 years of space activities, a silent revolution is taking place at the European launch site in Kourou. Jules Verne, the first human-rated spacecraft to be launched from Europe's Spaceport, is being prepared for launch.The 48 m3 pressurised module of the largest, most complex automated spacecraft ever developed in Europe has been inspected and closed, fulfilling the most stringent rules of human spaceflight.
Three days later, the two halves of the 20-tonne Automated Transfer Vehicle (ATV) – the avionics/propulsion module and the pressurised cargo carrier – were mated ready for its launch, scheduled for February 2008, to re-supply the International Space Station (ISS).
“In order to eliminate any risk of disease or contamination for the astronauts on board the ISS, we have disinfected all the surfaces inside the pressurised module with pure hydrogen peroxide. Even if it is launched unmanned, ‘Jules Verne’ respects all the human spacecraft safety requirements. This also applies to the 7 tonnes of cargo carried into orbit”, said Patrice Amadieu, ESA’s ATV Deputy Project Manager.
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Christmas greetings from Venus – with a new educational film
A breath of Venus’ - an educational film
International group plans strategy for Mars sample return mission
19 December 2007
http://www.esa.int/esaHS/SEM9E92MDAF_index_0.html
ESA, NASA and an international team are developing plans and seeking recommendations to launch the first Mars mission to bring soil samples back to Earth. The ability to study soil from Mars here on Earth will contribute significantly to answering questions about the possibility of life on the Red Planet.
Returned samples also will increase understanding of the useful or harmful properties of Martian soil, which will support planning for the eventual human exploration of Mars.
A task force named the International Mars Architecture for Return of Samples, or IMARS, recently met in Washington to lay the foundation for an international collaboration to return samples from Mars. NASA hosted the meeting. IMARS meeting participants included representatives from more than half a dozen countries and ESA, NASA, the Canadian Space Agency (CSA) and the Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency (JAXA).
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ESA Head of Science sets out Cosmic Vision goals
Email from COROT's Project Scientist
Explaining this absence will wait for a future opportunity for now, and much more important than that here are some words to shed some light over the COROT mission.
I've just checked my e-mail and there was one particularly calling my attention coming from...Malcolm Fridlund, COROT's Project Scientist.After a previous announcement of a press conference to the 10th of this month where results would be released Fridlund reveals that this date has been postponed...but not for long...
We will just have to wait about a week, the upcoming December 20 is the day to stay alert.
According to the mission's happy Project Scientist, there will be in that day's morning, a press conference at the Paris Observatory.
Fridlund also indicates that there will be a simultaneous press release at a time yet to be decided but it will be around noon.This press event will focus on the release of data to the Co-Investigators that took place yesterday, with the fact that Annie Baglin, COROT's Chief Scientist, has been awarded a french medal, and...drums please...with the first 3 papers that have been already submitted.
Juicy ain't it?
It will worth the wait.More soon...
You Have Edited the Thread Title to "In Lunar Orbit ?? "
Yeah there's always the wacky possibility that China photo shopped it and NASA is covering up evidence of alien life on Mars
I never figured you as a person who would buy into tin-foil head conspiracies
Rosetta: OSIRIS’ view of Earth by night
http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/Rosetta/SEM3HV53R8F_0.html
The space Review
http://www.thespacereview.com/article/1001/1
by Jeff Foust
Monday, November 19, 2007
Mars Wars: The Rise and Fall of the Space Exploration Initiative
by Thor Hogan
NASA, 2007
softcover, 188 pp., illus.
NASA SP-2007-4410
Next January will mark the fourth anniversary of President George W. Bush’s speech at NASA Headquarters that unveiled the Vision for Space Exploration, the long-term plan that gave the space agency a new direction, away from the space shuttle and space station and towards a human return to the Moon and, eventually, human missions to Mars. At that time the announcement drew comparisons to the Space Exploration Initiative (SEI), the last major effort by a president to reshape the direction of NASA, with corresponding concerns that the Vision would meet a similar, unfortunate fate. Yet the Vision is alive and well today (despite some concerns about its implementation), while SEI had effectively been dead long before it could reach its fourth anniversary. What caused SEI to fail, and what lessons did its failure provide future initiatives, like the Vision? These are questions explored in depth by Thor Hogan’s history of SEI, Mars Wars.....
I hope that launches does well, it is a good platform and the team have been very professional in launch commercial payloads
Let's see a Successful launch, unfortunately the
January 2007 launch ended in failure you can see it on YouTube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQUjc9j4vOw
Europe eyes Mars landing sites
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7093172.stm
By Paul Rincon
Science reporter, BBC News
Europe's ExoMars rover is scheduled to launch in 2013The European Space Agency (Esa) has drawn up its shortlist of the best places to look for life on Mars.
Esa will launch a mission called ExoMars in 2013 in which a robot rover will search the Martian surface for evidence of past or present life.
The locations on the shortlist are all being targeted as potential landing sites for these missions.
They host some of Mars' oldest rocks, which were in contact with water just after the planet's formation....
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See also
ExoMars to be "Upgraded"
http://newmars.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4491
Meeting in Paris on 12-13 November, ESA's Science Programme Committee unanimously approved a proposal to continue operating the highly successful Ulysses spacecraft until March 2009. This latest extension, for a period of 12 months, is the fourth in the history of the joint ESA-NASA mission.
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