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#1 Re: Terraformation » Better Red but not Dead - my experience » 2005-03-08 19:24:03

dk_

But can't forget that humans can also be incredibly destructive and self-destructive, outmatching anything Mother Nature and her other children can do.

--Cindy

Using our self-destructive history (cold war) as an excuse to not become Earth-Independent is just as detrimental to our future...

*Hi dk:

You're new here.

Please don't make assumptions about my overall points of view, because frankly you're not familiar with them. 

I am PRO-space exploration/colonization.  And I'm not making any "excuses" to stay Earth-bound, as most folks who have been here for years can attest to (I don't pay Mars Society dues annually for the heck of it).

We can go into space and still admit our destructive tendencies.  That way we can AVOID destructive tendencies in the future, which was my original point.

Don't presume to know a stranger, okay?  Especially not based on a mere 4 or 5 posts out of over 7000, over a nearly 3-year time period.

Thanks.

--Cindy

I guess by quoting you, you got the impression that I felt I knew your points of view. Sorry about that. Please don't feel like I'm debating with you, I'm just making this case for the benefit of all.

The only point I want to make in my, now 3 posts to this thread is that debating the ethics delays the process. It's like delaying a trial where the evidence is deteriorating. By debating, a verdict is being decided. Time is a factor, the longer we wait the more likely we will be guilty and "miss the boat".

The average person on the street has an idea of what happened to the dinosaurs but doesn't realize the importance in getting off Earth. If they listen, they should hear the message that most people agree that changing Mars for Human survivability is priority one, not preserving whatever is there now. If most people remain undecided the tendency will be that politicians will see this as an unclear issue. And doing nothing will remain the status quo.

#2 Re: Terraformation » Better Red but not Dead - my experience » 2005-03-08 11:08:23

dk_

But can't forget that humans can also be incredibly destructive and self-destructive, outmatching anything Mother Nature and her other children can do.

--Cindy

Using our self-destructive history (cold war) as an excuse to not become Earth-Independent is just as detrimental to our future as a species as our self-destructivism itself.

Every year we waste distracting ourselves, the more likely we won't make it in time.

#3 Re: Terraformation » Better Red but not Dead - my experience » 2005-03-07 21:20:38

dk_

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Imagine if from this instant onward that every decision was made so that Humans realize a terraformed, colonized, independent civilization on Mars in the least time possible, with no regard for ethics. Let's call this the earliest possible time of Human-Earth independence (2005+x).

Now imagine our far from ideal world where politics, class, society, religion, ethics, etc. all slow down progress towards Human-Earth independence and put us on a course to possibly reach Human-Earth independence at (2005+x+r), where r is a time between zero and infinity which stands for retardation.

Like it or not, one of these situations will occur:
a) Humans cause their own extinction (by means other than ignoring the threat of meteors).
b) A meteor causes extinction of Humans on Earth before 2005+x.
c) A meteor causes extinction of Humans on Earth after 2005+x, but before 2005+x+r.
d) A meteor causes extinction of Humans on Earth after 2005+x+r.
e) A meteor never causes extinction of Humans on Earth.

I'm affraid that since we've come so close to a nuclear-war and that nuclear proliferation is on the rise that situations (a),(b) or © may be the case. However I remain an optimist and hope that anyone concerned with the ethics of terraforming consider that although they may see themselves as "taking the high road" by trying to hold everyone to some imagined ethical measure, I see them as being in denial of the cruel game in which we play. It's called survival-of-the-fittest. In some ways we as Humans compete. As a species, we are on the same team, let's not sabotage ourselves but learn from the dinosaurs and act as if we are smarter.

This is my first post. Thanks for having me.

--
dk

"God will not stop the meteor."

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