Tesla Master Plan Part 3: Deep Dive
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So, if the materials of the previous post and this post are approximately similar to future realty, then beaming power down from orbit will not be an actual thing unless somehow it is changed to something very much more effective than ground solar.
Space solar, however could still be good for beam powered space propulsion.
But if the optimistic version of what is projected in the "Master Plan 3", is true, then the Moon and Mars and also small worlds likely can alsu use much of the same methods. Of course being alien worlds they might have a somewhat different mix.
I note that they feel that for the USA, I believe, existing underground storage space is 3 times what is needed to store Hydrogen, for steel making, concrete making and such high temp processes.
I am thinking now that perhaps electric propulsion to fill high depots may be a good factor to anticipate.
For both Earth/Moon and Mars, depots in higher orbits may be assistive in launching missions. I am thinking lasers in space to increase the energy density of propellant transports to fill the depots.
The depots could be used to fill spacecraft for interplanetary launches.
For the depot filling ships if you can get the mass down on the energy providing equipment this should provide a benefit.
As an example, and not limited to Electric Ion propulsion, lasers shining on very high temperature solar power method might work out OK to generate the needed electric power. Similar for Mass Driver methods, perhaps expelling Oxygen.
Some people love nuclear, and so I give the case where a Nuclear powered ship could fill at a "High Depot" and then have chances for a very rapid trip, perhaps to Mars.
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Well, I need to digest that for a few days, I think.
The idea that solar will eventually replace a lot of wind is very strange and interesting.
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]]>If I have it right Fission produces Neutrons that cause Fusion of Deuters, in a metal latus and that produces heat.
I will hope to review it tonight and perhaps alter comments or add comments. I think Calliban may have at some point mentioned something like this.
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A Fusion/Fission Hybrid. I need to learn more. It sounds like a stimulated metal latus with Deuterium embedded can be stimulated to free up Neutrons and the Neutrons then can cause fission in low grade Fission fuels.
I am not qualified to judge the merit of it. It sounds very good, but how would I know for sure.
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]]>As is often the case, I wanted a specific video, but could not get it yet on BING.
"NEW Solar Panel Produces Cheep Green Hydrogen at Home | BREAKTHROUGH!, The Futurist 15,6k"
But I got these:
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This stuff does not look all the way ready yet, but it seems to be starting up.
I will not vouch for it, I merely make it available for the membership to observe.
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]]>The problem of recycling of course has to be solved.
I prefer the idea of vertical panels where a bit more spacing allows sunlight at times to reflect off of the water. This then would make it more possible to use the water for recreation. Fish should be able to function as well. The vertical solar panels would also reduce evaporation, by cooling the water with shade. In face they would be air cooled better, I feel. In the night it is also possible that they would help cool the water by transmission of vibration from the water into the panels and into the sky, and also the water may radiate to the sky.
If you had a non-harmful fluid, you might also even let gravitational convection move heat from the water into the panels and so use them as radiators.
An East-West facing bifacial installation is said to reduce the need for energy storage.
And if you are going to have floats for solar panels, why not have windmills as well, where it may make sense. It is open ground where the wind should be a bit stronger. It is then "Offshore, Onshore".
I would also not object to this being done to natural bodies of water as well. But that is just me. Of course, if some special species would be threatened by it, that has to be a serious factor.
You might consider the Great Salt Lake, where floats will really float. Salt coatings on the panels would be a problem.
But by cooling the lake waters the quantity of water could expand.
Salton Sea as well, but of course that is California, and crazy people rule there. Crazy is their problem though, not mine. (Not that kind of crazy anyway).
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]]>Hydrogen produced by electrolysis would be relatively expensive as a reducing agent. However, it does have the advantage that it can be produced whereever there is locally abundant energy. The crude iron can be shipped out in large transport ships to an electric furnace in an industrial country. But we can build a crude iron reduction furnace in the Sahara and use sea water to produce the requisite hydrogen. Iron ore is shipped in, iron powder is shipped out. If the facility is located close to a coast, then the logistics could be relatively simple. Ships would dock at a jetty within an artificial lagoon. Iron ore powder would be sucked out of the hokd and then conveyed pneumatically through pipes to our facility. The same pipework would carry the iron powder back to the ship, using nitrogen as a propellant gas.
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Just Have a Think
My comments are, I have at best a partial understanding of the material.
If a negative opinion wants to be expressed, then express away.
I note that this video involves the use of Carbon. I note that Mercury has Carbon on its surface, Earth has Carbon, Venus and Mars have Carbon in their atmospheres, and going outwards there are a lot of worlds with Carbon.
Even our Moon has more Carbon than was considered true previously, but for now we might consider the Moon to be Carbon poor.
So, anything Carbon is important to the thinking of this site.
I do not regard Carbon as a "Sin". In fact I am very in favor of Shale Oil and Shale Gas. I do not think that the path forward is to kill the hydrocarbons and then wear hair shirts, and whip ourselves for being unworthy. Hydrocarbons are a boost up to get to continuable, energy involved processes.
The "Greens" are in my opinion, modern day fascist slave traders. They obviously think that there is a small number of anointed worthy people who must regulate all the other people who are to be minions. They literally in the USA are associated with the previously more slavery tolerant party, as we might expect. And just as their predecessors, they do not like industry, actually, as it is a power rival, they would rather trade in human flesh.
I see one thing about CO and O2 in space is that for Mars, what works may work also for Mercury, as their gravity are similar, and they both have significant Carbon. And many Asteroids also would benefit from it. Venus, maybe. Callisto, probably.
My feeling is that if we get desperate, we can pull Carbon out of the atmosphere, by using OTEC similar methods, or wind or waves, or even solar to access nutrients in the low cold water of the oceans, and making it associate with sunlight and photosynthesis.
Introducing poverty to the masses, and the evil intention of the Farmers. Don't get me wrong, I am not talking about our modern-day industrial level farmers. I am talking about the people farmers. Yes, abundance of agriculture allowed so called "Civilization", but it introduced many undesirable social processes which involves specialization of a ruling class which is primarily capable of language skills and violent suppression of competitors, and their dream is a population of low capability drones to be servant-slaves to carry out their intentions.
The people farmers ruin the human races capabilities, and make it stupid, and not properly conscious.
The reason to make Carbon a sin, is to allow them to suppress technology and industry. They are religious neopaganism types, in my opinion.
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Carbon dioxide electrolysis as an alternative to coal
by Forschungszentrum Juelich
https://techxplore.com/news/2023-03-car … -coal.html
n the current experimental set-up using modular components which are not optimized for efficiency, the stack achieves an efficiency of 30%. "For this type of process, which already operates below 100°C, it is already a quite promising result," explains Institute Director Prof. Rüdiger-A. Eichel.
"Compared to high-temperature co-electrolysis, for example, plant design is relatively simple and produced pure CO instead of synthesis gas which further simplifies processing for many applications. Thus, a decentral supply of the platform chemical CO can be provided to the industrial companies in the Rhenish region, saving transport cost," says Rüdiger-A. Eichel. The next steps are further developments and improvements in efficiency to bring the cell stack to the final stage of readiness for mass production.
I will consider it odd if the members do not like it. I have not specified the energy source, solar, wind, nuclear, other?
My feeling is that we might want to look into it for Mars as well.
I would hesitate to include this material as it is not the historical assessment of probability for the moons of Mars, but it comes from NASA.
Mars Moons: (Carbon in the Martian moons)
https://solarsystem.nasa.gov/moons/mars … 20diameter.
The moons appear to be made of carbon-rich rock mixed with ice and may be captured asteroids.
I am going to copy this into a terraforming topic and expand on the Mars aspect more.
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]]>Solar on the Seas. Please have patience I do not vouch for this being practical, rather that it could be interesting and who knows even workable.
As I recall there are 5 gyres on the planet, where I think in some places the winds and storms are relatively calm.
Also there is a narrow zone between the southern and northern hemispheres which does avoid big storms, mostly in the Pacific, I think.
Actually, I won't worry about the weather.
The idea I have in my mind is that it might be possible to have vertical solar panels, that are augmented by reflections of sunlight from the water..
Granted salt air does not sound wonderful for normal solar panels, nor storms.
So, anyway not surprise there are penalties from it, and it could be an excessive problem: https://www.solar-panel-cleaners.com/ho … efficiency.
But I am thinking that if you could have a train of these towed by a ship, maybe it could do some good.
The primary objective might be to make fuels with the electricity.
But, there could be yet another function, and that is to mix low and cold fertile water with warmer and less fertile water. The mix might end up enough in the sunlight that plankton would grow. So, then that is Carbon capture. If you could scoop up the organic matter then you could use electricity to make fuels from it.
I do agree that it might be desired to avoid big storms. I don't know how practical that is, and where it could be.
I have though of tying it to OTEC, but that is yet more speculation.
Anyway, it was originally an idea of Louis, but I have modified it a bit.
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]]>The battery with no limit on energy capacity - Vanadium redox flow
The Electric Viking
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanadium
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The cosmic abundance of vanadium in the universe is 0.0001%, making the element nearly as common as copper or zinc.[35] Vanadium is detected spectroscopically in light from the Sun and sometimes in the light from other stars.[36]Earth's crust
See also: Category:Vanadate minerals
Vanadium is the 20th most abundant element in the earth's crust;[37] metallic vanadium is rare in nature (known as native vanadium),[38][39] but vanadium compounds occur naturally in about 65 different minerals.At the beginning of the 20th century a large deposit of vanadium ore was discovered, the Minas Ragra vanadium mine near Junín, Cerro de Pasco, Peru.[40][41][42] For several years this patrónite (VS4)[43] deposit was an economically significant source for vanadium ore. In 1920 roughly two thirds of the worldwide production was supplied by the mine in Peru.[44] With the production of uranium in the 1910s and 1920s from carnotite (K2(UO2)2(VO4)2·3H2O) vanadium became available as a side product of uranium production. Vanadinite (Pb5(VO4)3Cl) and other vanadium bearing minerals are only mined in exceptional cases. With the rising demand, much of the world's vanadium production is now sourced from vanadium-bearing magnetite found in ultramafic gabbro bodies. If this titanomagnetite is used to produce iron, most of the vanadium goes to the slag, and is extracted from it.[45][42]
Vanadium is mined mostly in China, South Africa and eastern Russia. In 2022 these three countries mined more than 96% of the 100,000 tonnes of produced vanadium, with China providing 70%.[46]
Vanadium is also present in bauxite and in deposits of crude oil, coal, oil shale, and tar sands. In crude oil, concentrations up to 1200 ppm have been reported. When such oil products are burned, traces of vanadium may cause corrosion in engines and boilers.[47] An estimated 110,000 tonnes of vanadium per year are released into the atmosphere by burning fossil fuels.[48] Black shales are also a potential source of vanadium. During WW II some vanadium was extracted from alum shales in the south of Sweden.[49]
Water
The vanadyl ion is abundant in seawater, having an average concentration of 30 nM (1.5 mg/m3).[35] Some mineral water springs also contain the ion in high concentrations. For example, springs near Mount Fuji contain as much as 54 μg per liter.[35]Production
Vanadium production trend
Vacuum sublimed vanadium dendritic crystals (99.9%)
An etched piece of vanadium
Vanadium metal is obtained by a multistep process that begins with roasting crushed ore with NaCl or Na2CO3 at about 850 °C to give sodium metavanadate (NaVO3). An aqueous extract of this solid is acidified to produce "red cake", a polyvanadate salt, which is reduced with calcium metal. As an alternative for small-scale production, vanadium pentoxide is reduced with hydrogen or magnesium. Many other methods are also used, in all of which vanadium is produced as a byproduct of other processes.[50] Purification of vanadium is possible by the crystal bar process developed by Anton Eduard van Arkel and Jan Hendrik de Boer in 1925. It involves the formation of the metal iodide, in this example vanadium(III) iodide, and the subsequent decomposition to yield pure metal:[51]2 V + 3 I2 ⇌ 2 VI3
Ferrovanadium chunks
Most vanadium is used as a steel alloy called ferrovanadium. Ferrovanadium is produced directly by reducing a mixture of vanadium oxide, iron oxides and iron in an electric furnace. The vanadium ends up in pig iron produced from vanadium-bearing magnetite. Depending on the ore used, the slag contains up to 25% of vanadium.[50]
So, maybe a path that will expand.
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]]>The Electric Viking, The battery with no limit on energy capacity - Vanadium redox flow, 4hr ago
This is a general response that does not contain the recent video: https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Th … ORM=HDRSC4
We will see if the process is good or not.
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]]>How floating solar panels are being used to power electric grids
by Carly Wanna
My understanding is that the cooling from the water may increase the efficiency by up to 15%.
I wonder if anyone has tried vertical solar panels floating in water.
This would also conserve water by shading it. But it also leaves the water surface open for humans and other life to use. But I know that you can get a bad sunburn on water as water reflections can intensify the UV. So, might water reflections help boost the power of vertical panels?
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41893-023-01089-6
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Published: 13 March 2023
Energy production and water savings from floating solar photovoltaics on global reservoirs
Yubin Jin, Shijie Hu, Alan D. Ziegler, Luke Gibson, J. Elliott Campbell, Rongrong Xu, Deliang Chen, Kai Zhu, Yan Zheng, Bin Ye, Fan Ye & Zhenzhong Zeng
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Growing global energy use and the adoption of sustainability goals to limit carbon emissions from fossil fuel burning are increasing the demand for clean energy, including solar. Floating photovoltaic (FPV) systems on reservoirs are advantageous over traditional ground-mounted solar systems in terms of land conservation, efficiency improvement and water loss reduction. Here, based on multiple reservoir databases and a realistic climate-driven photovoltaic system simulation, we estimate the practical potential electricity generation for FPV systems with a 30% coverage on 114,555 global reservoirs is 9,434 ± 29 TWh yr−1. Considering the proximity of most reservoirs to population centres and the potential to develop dedicated local power systems, we find that 6,256 communities and/or cities in 124 countries, including 154 metropolises, could be self-sufficient with local FPV plants. Also beneficial to FPV worldwide is that the reduced annual evaporation could conserve 106 ± 1 km3 of water. Our analysis points to the huge potential of FPV systems on reservoirs, but additional studies are needed to assess the potential long-term consequences of large systems.
Obviously wind could be a problem, but the rewards might be large.
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Actually no got it again when I pasted my stuff.
I will past one line at a time:
This might give us insight about the insight lander.
And for that lander it might have been possible to place reflective film on the ground in places around it.
Not where the sensors were located, but elsewhere.
They might have survived longer that way. But I will admit that possibly the panels vertical might not warm up the lander as much per conductive heat. But it you have more solar electricity that might be worth it.
Well, I guess that is quite a lot of it. I may move on to other materials, but if I get the error again while doing that I probably will wait for tomorrow.
Actually, I think I will let it rest for now.
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Well, maybe something about Venus. Cloud scattering. Might be something to consider for that.
And for Mars, in the polar areas, vertical might allow the panels to survive winter frost. And you might use the panels to change the albedo of the poles that way, so then a terraforming technique.
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I find this very interesting. I have thought about the claims, and I think it could be true, if the solar panels are in Germany and on the north side of a barn for instance. It has caused me to have what I consider an important insight about it. To have vertical solar panels or not.
Electric Viking:
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His comment at the end about generating solar electricity even when it is cloudy does make sense. So, this may be a factor to consider. If you mount solar panels as traditional, at 25-30 degrees?, then you may not get that much scattered light from clouds.
I have also considered the grass/crops/etc. on the ground. You may get scattered light from that.
And if there are trees in the background, you may get scattered light that way.
I am also considering cooling of the panels. It seems to me that more cooling from the flow of air may occur, both as the winds may push into the solar panels, and as heated air will rise and carry away more heat. This should improve efficiency to some degree.
I could not be sure, but I am guessing that more appliances will be running in the morning and before sundown, at least when the days are in the equinox.
The German method is like this: https://pv-magazine-usa.com/2020/10/12/ … n-germany/
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Supposing that the camera was in the south-east of the array, then we can see several objects from which light might scatter-reflect from to the panels. 1) Clouds 2) Grass 3) Trees.
This might not be as true in a hot desert. However perhaps a mountain might be to the north to reflect some light.
For those in the Southern Hemisphere, think bas ackwards.
I have been thinking about this for other planets.
For the Moon, if they don't overheat, you might put aluminum foil on the ground. You might situate the solar farm so as to get a reflection from a background object such as a crater rim, or mountain. You may also put aluminum heatsinks at strategic locations to help cool the panels.
For dusty worlds, it may be that dust would accumulate less, and it may be possible to more easily remove it.
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